Author Topic: St Alphonsus' Baptism Contradiction (Read 41742 times)

Stubborn · « **Reply #10 on:** June 10, 2026, 04:57:50 AM »

Quote from: Marcellinus on June 09, 2026, 03:59:29 PM

Why is this topic discussed ad nauseum? What difference does it make in your own life with God?

Are you a theologian? Are you an ordinary minister of baptism (ie, a priest)? Why do people get so hung up on this topic that absolutely nothing else defines whether one is Catholic or not except whether or not they believe in baptism of desire?

I'm genuinely asking... as a priest, it boggles my mind at the obsession with this topic amongst a certain subculture of trads..

It does fatigue one, yet it is important to some of us who adhere to the dogma EENS, because a BOD reduces the thrice defined dogma to an altogether meaningless formula.

There is a compelling argument there.

Think about this little snip from Fr. Feeney regarding a dead presumed recipient of a BOD....."Were he to be revivified immediately after death – were he to come to life again – he would not be allowed to receive Holy Eucharist or any of the other Sacraments until he was baptized by water. Now, if he can get into the Church Triumphant without Baptism of Water, it is strange that he cannot get into the Church Militant without it."

And there's the "unforeseen accidental death".......
Catholics who are faithful to the teachings of Holy Mother the Church embrace the fact that "there is no one about to die in the state of justification whom God cannot secure Baptism for, and indeed, Baptism of Water. The schemes concerning salvation, I leave to the sceptics. The clear truths of salvation, I am preaching to you." - as Fr. Feeney so eloquently states it.

Stubborn · « **Reply #11 on:** June 10, 2026, 05:16:11 AM »

Quote from: Lazarus on June 10, 2026, 05:06:09 AM

Fr Feeney was excommunicated by John XXIII, who unlike Paul VI and others was a true valid Pope.

Fr Feeney's excommunication was then retracted by the false conciliary church. Which means that he is still excommunicated, unless you consider Bergoglio and others as Popes. If you consider Bergoglio and others as Popes.

According to your very own EENS false dogma, you are a heretic and not part of the Church.

You just keep proving you're a liar with your posts. You chide others for not having a doctorate in theology - and here's you dethroning, of all people, popes.

Stubborn · « **Reply #12 on:** June 10, 2026, 05:51:00 AM »

Quote from: Lazarus on June 10, 2026, 05:20:55 AM

If you call Bergoglio a Pope despite the fact he worshipped polytheist idols, why do you care so much about EENS ? That makes literally no sense.

It is because you believe that you have the authority and responsibility to decide the status of popes, that you do not have any idea what you are talking about.

If infidels who never knew the true faith can be saved in the last nano second of life through a desire for some perfect contrition, then as far you're concerned, popes worshiping idols should be just fine - certainly popes, having been previously exposed to the true faith, will desire perfect contrition in their last nano seconds too, so will everyone who follows him.

Stubborn · « **Reply #13 on:** June 10, 2026, 06:18:01 AM »

Quote from: Lazarus on June 10, 2026, 06:05:20 AM

You deny explicit teachings of Popes and you think you have authority to do so, claiming Trent council backs you. Then, you refuse to call A POLYTHEIST an anti-Pope, pretending you don't have the authority despite the fact that it is a violation of the ten commandments. To anyone who will read us, this is damning evidence that you are suffering from a severe case of cognitive dissonance.

You distort voluntarily the teachings of BOD/BOB (which apply only in extremely rare and specific circuмstances) and pretend that the Novus Ordites have the same position as I do. So what, maybe 0.0000001% of novus ordites are saved through perfect contrition at the last second. You think that means freedom of religion is justified? What a joke.

Sophistry and denial are the only thing you have.

I did not distort anything, I presented your own ridiculous position to you to show you the stupidity you preach.

You invent a BOD as being extremely rare and having specific circuмstances - which is a total lie that you had to invent in order to safeguard your authority to decide the status of popes.

Stubborn · « **Reply #14 on:** June 10, 2026, 07:20:34 AM »

Quote from: Lazarus on June 10, 2026, 07:00:24 AM

Is worshipping pagan idols condemned by the Ten Commandments, yes or no?

Can perfect contrition in the last seconds of life reward salvation to heretics?

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