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Author Topic: St Alphonsus' Baptism Contradiction  (Read 313 times)

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Offline Pax Vobis

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Re: St Alphonsus' Baptism Contradiction
« Reply #10 on: Yesterday at 09:02:50 PM »
Quote from: Marcellinus on Yesterday at 07:01:53 PM
You seem hostile, why?  Why question whether or not I am a priest?
Your insertion of this personal fact is quite dubious because any priest in the US knows this is a hot-button topic.  Everywhere.  You can’t get away from it.  Yes, I’m hostile about it because of the reasons listed earlier.  

Maybe you’re not from the US?? and that would make more sense.  It seems that outside the US, this topic isn’t debated at all.  
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Offline Marcellinus

Re: St Alphonsus' Baptism Contradiction
« Reply #11 on: Yesterday at 09:40:40 PM »
Quote from: Pax Vobis on Yesterday at 09:02:50 PM
Your insertion of this personal fact is quite dubious because any priest in the US knows this is a hot-button topic.  Everywhere.  You can’t get away from it.  Yes, I’m hostile about it because of the reasons listed earlier. 

Maybe you’re not from the US?? and that would make more sense.  It seems that outside the US, this topic isn’t debated at all. 
You said that this has "broken up families, marriages, caused clerics to withhold sacraments from the laity, and also people have gotten kicked out of seminaries."

Have you personally suffered a broken family, marriage, had sacraments withheld, or been kicked out of seminary?
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Offline Stubborn

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Re: St Alphonsus' Baptism Contradiction
« Reply #12 on: Today at 04:57:50 AM »
Quote from: Marcellinus on Yesterday at 03:59:29 PM
Why is this topic discussed ad nauseum?  What difference does it make in your own life with God?

Are you a theologian?  Are you an ordinary minister of baptism (ie, a priest)?  Why do people get so hung up on this topic that absolutely nothing else defines whether one is Catholic or not except whether or not they believe in baptism of desire?

I'm genuinely asking... as a priest, it boggles my mind at the obsession with this topic amongst a certain subculture of trads..
It does fatigue one, yet it is important to some of us who adhere to the dogma EENS, because a BOD reduces the thrice defined dogma to an altogether meaningless formula. 

There is a compelling argument there.

Think about this little snip from Fr. Feeney regarding a dead presumed recipient of a BOD....."Were he to be revivified immediately after death – were he to come to life again – he would not be allowed to receive Holy Eucharist or any of the other Sacraments until he was baptized by water. Now, if he can get into the Church Triumphant without Baptism of Water, it is strange that he cannot get into the Church Militant without it."

And there's the "unforeseen accidental death".......
Catholics who are faithful to the teachings of Holy Mother the Church embrace the fact that "there is no one about to die in the state of justification whom God cannot secure Baptism for, and indeed, Baptism of Water. The schemes concerning salvation, I leave to the sceptics. The clear truths of salvation, I am preaching to you." - as Fr. Feeney so eloquently states it.
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Online Lazarus

Re: St Alphonsus' Baptism Contradiction
« Reply #13 on: Today at 05:06:09 AM »
Quote from: Stubborn on Today at 04:57:50 AM
It does fatigue one, yet it is important to some of us who adhere to the dogma EENS, because a BOD reduces the thrice defined dogma to an altogether meaningless formula.
Fr Feeney was excommunicated by John XXIII, who unlike Paul VI and others was a true valid Pope.

Fr Feeney's excommunication was then retracted by the false conciliary church. Which means that he is still excommunicated, unless you consider Bergoglio and others as Popes. If you consider Bergoglio and others as Popes.

According to your very own EENS false dogma, you are a heretic and not part of the Church. 

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Offline Stubborn

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Re: St Alphonsus' Baptism Contradiction
« Reply #14 on: Today at 05:16:11 AM »
Quote from: Lazarus on Today at 05:06:09 AM
Fr Feeney was excommunicated by John XXIII, who unlike Paul VI and others was a true valid Pope.

Fr Feeney's excommunication was then retracted by the false conciliary church. Which means that he is still excommunicated, unless you consider Bergoglio and others as Popes. If you consider Bergoglio and others as Popes.

According to your very own EENS false dogma, you are a heretic and not part of the Church.
You just keep proving you're a liar with your posts. You chide others for not having a doctorate in theology - and here's you dethroning, of all people, popes. :facepalm:
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