What do you respond to this?

Pope Pius IX., Singulari Quidem #7 (1856):

>This hope of salvation is placed in the Catholic Church which, in preserving the true worship, is the solid home of this faith and the temple of God. Outside of the Church, nobody can hope for life or salvation unless he is excused through ignorance beyond his control.<

https://www.papalencyclicals.net/pius09/p9singul.htm

... how many times do we need to deal with the same stuff.

He says they can't have any HOPE of salvation if they are culpably outside the Church.  This does not say that if they died in their current state, of being outside the Church, they would be saved.  That would in fact be heresy, an explicit denial of EENS dogma.  BoDers like to impute heresy to Pius IX.  Similarly, the Pius X catechism says that those who are inculpably outside the Church who adhere to the natural law are "in the way" of salvation.  "In via" in Latin indicates that they are not at their destination, and those in this life journeying toward heaven are referred to as "viatores".

Actually even during his lifetime Pius IX head reports that he had rejected EENS dogma and he was absolutely appalled by it.  Fathe rFeeny wrote an article at some point detailing.

Unfortunately, Pius IX made a number of "weekly worded" statement that the enemies of EENS dogma (who were plentiful already in his day) went to down with and continue to distort to this day.

He says they can't have any HOPE of salvation if they are culpably outside the Church.  This does not say that if they died in their current state, of being outside the Church, they would be saved. 

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The statement is *a little* stronger than that. He says they can't have any hope UNLESS they are inculpably ignorant. Which of course is a far cry from saying they are or will be saved, but it's a bit stronger than simply stating they have no hope if they are culpably outside the Church. 

I meant no offense. I was just curious.

My first response too would have been that it is not infallible because it is addressed to the Austrian Bishops and not to all of them.

Thank you very much for your responses, they make a lot of sense.

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It doesn't meet the criteria for an ex cathedra teaching, no. But that doesn't necessarily mean its liable to any kind of error. Soteriological error is just about (if not actually) the worst kind of error imaginable, since it pertains directly to what is necessary for the salvation of souls, and the salvation of souls is THE telos of the Church. 
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I don't think it's worth getting too bent out of shape over, though. We all know that the punishment of Hell is reserved to those who have committed actual sin (original sin only does not merit the punishment of Hell, but the privation of Hell). So if someone is not guilty of the sin of being outside the Church, they will not go to Hell for it. They may (and realistically probably WILL) deserve the punishment of Hell for something else. But if there was nothing else for which they could deserve punishment and if they made a perfect act of charity (restoring them to justice), they would be saved. This may have never actually happened since it is unlikely (to say the least) for those not illumined by the light of the Gospel to live a morally impeccable life. But the question is about the veracity of Pius's teaching, not the likelihood of it actually happening. 
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I would imagine Von Balthasaar and the like leveraged this teaching in their own. Doesn't make the teaching false, just makes it worth understanding correctly. 

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The statement is *a little* stronger than that. He says they can't have any hope UNLESS they are inculpably ignorant. Which of course is a far cry from saying they are or will be saved, but it's a bit stronger than simply stating they have no hope if they are culpably outside the Church.

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It doesn't meet the criteria for an ex cathedra teaching, no. But that doesn't necessarily mean its liable to any kind of error. Soteriological error is just about (if not actually) the worst kind of error imaginable, since it pertains directly to what is necessary for the salvation of souls, and the salvation of souls is THE telos of the Church.
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Agreed.

What PPIX says is not wrong at all. I know of a person from about 20 years ago who was baptized as an infant, but at around two years old he suffered severe and irreversible brain damage, since then has been near a vegetable.

THAT is the type of situation PPIX is talking about when he says "ignorance beyond his control."

With so many children getting the jab, there is likely to be a lot more in a similar situation - hopefully they receive the sacrament of baptism before the jab.

I meant no offense. I was just curious.

My first response too would have been that it is not infallible because it is addressed to the Austrian Bishops and not to all of them.

Thank you very much for your responses, they make a lot of sense.

Sorry I got frustrated.  You haven't been around here long enough, but that quote's had been used here probably 100 times to attack and undermine EENS dogma.  No, it wasn't infallible by any stretch, but to read it the way some want to would be to have Pius IX teaching heresy, a verbatim denial of EENS.

Pius IX and Invincible Ignorance

https://www.cathinfo.com/baptism-of-desire-and-feeneyism/pius-ix-and-invincible-ignorance/


Pius IX, On Promotion of False Doctrines, 1863

http://www.papalencyclicals.net/pius09/p9quanto.htm


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7. Here, too, our beloved sons and venerable brothers, it is again necessary to mention and censure a very grave error entrapping some Catholics who believe that it is possible to arrive at eternal salvation although living in error and alienated from the true faith and Catholic unity. Such belief is certainly opposed to Catholic teaching. There are, of course, those who are struggling with invincible ignorance about our most holy religion. Sincerely observing the natural law and its precepts inscribed by God on all hearts and ready to obey God, they live honest lives and are able to attain eternal life by the efficacious virtue of divine light and grace. Because God knows, searches and clearly understands the minds, hearts, thoughts, and nature of all, his supreme kindness and clemency do not permit anyone at all who is not guilty of deliberate sin to suffer eternal punishments.

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Let us pray that the errant be flooded with the light of his divine grace, may turn back from the path of error into the way of truth and justice and, experiencing the worthy fruit of repentance, may possess perpetual love and fear of his holy name.

Leo XIII, On Mission Societies, 1880

http://www.papalencyclicals.net/leo13/l13mis.htm

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Do men like these pour forth their prayers to God that in His mercy he may bring to the Divine light of the Gospel by His victorious grace the people sitting in the darkness?

Gregory XVI, Mirari Vos, 1832

http://www.papalencyclicals.net/greg16/g16mirar.htm

13. Now We consider another abundant source of the evils with which the Church is afflicted at present: indifferentism. This perverse opinion is spread on all sides by the fraud of the wicked who claim that it is possible to obtain the eternal salvation of the soul by the profession of any kind of religion, as long as morality is maintained. Surely, in so clear a matter, you will drive this deadly error far from the people committed to your care. With the admonition of the apostle that “there is one God, one faith, one baptism”[16] may those fear who contrive the notion that the safe harbor of salvation is open to persons of any religion whatever. They should consider the testimony of Christ Himself that “those who are not with Christ are against Him,”[17] and that they disperse unhappily who do not gather with Him. Therefore “without a doubt, they will perish forever, unless they hold the Catholic faith whole and inviolate.”[18] Let them hear Jerome who, while the Church was torn into three parts by schism, tells us that whenever someone tried to persuade him to join his group he always exclaimed: “He who is for the See of Peter is for me.”[19] A schismatic flatters himself falsely if he asserts that he, too, has been washed in the waters of regeneration. Indeed Augustine would reply to such a man: “The branch has the same form when it has been cut off from the vine; but of what profit for it is the form, if it does not live from the root?”

The life of Pope Pius IX and the great events in the history of the Church during his pontificate

By John Gilmary Shea, published 1877

pgs. 97 - 103

https://archive.org/details/TheLifeOfPopePiusIX1877

In an allocution to the cardinals on the Consistory of the 17th of December, 1847, Pius IX. congratulated the sacred college on the renewal of a cordial understanding with Spain, by means of which he had been enabled to appoint a number of bishops in that country once so devoted  to the Church. He alluded too to the favorable appearance of the Catholic cause in Russia, and repudiated certain theories ascribed to him. Against religious indifferentism so zealously advocated in our days, and made as it were a state creed, he said : "It is assuredly not unknown to you, venerable brethren, that in our times many of the enemies of the Catholic faith especially direct their efforts toward placing every monstrous opinion on the same level with the doctrine of Christ, or of confounding it therewith, and so they try more and more to propagate that impious system of the indifference of religions.

But quite recently, we shudder to say it, men have appeared who have thrown such reproaches upon our name and apostolic dignity, that they do not hesitate to slander us, as if we shared in their folly and favored the aforesaid most wicked system. From the measures, in no' wise incompatible with the sanctity of the  Catholic religion, which, in certain affairs relating to the civil government of the Pontifical States, we thought fit in kindness to adopt, as tending to the public advantage and prosperity, and from the amnesty graciously bestowed upon some of the subjects of the same States at the beginning of our pontificate, it appears that these men have desired to infer that we think so benevolently concerning every, class of mankind, as to suppose that not only the sons of the Church, but that the rest also, however alienated from Catholic unity they may remain, are alike in the way of salvation, and may arrive at everlasting life."

We are at a loss from horror to find words to express our detestation of this new and atrocious injustice that is done us. We do indeed love all mankind with the inmost affection of our heart, yet not otherwise than in the love of God, and of our Lord Jesus Christ, who came to  seek and to save that which had perished, who died for all, who wills all men to be saved, and to come to the knowledge of the truth ; who therefore sent his disciples into the whole world to preach the gospel to every creature, proclaiming that they who should believe and be baptized should be saved, but they who should believe not should be condemned ; who therefore will be saved let them come to the pillar and ground of faith, which is the Church; let them come to the true Church of Christ, which in its bishops and in the Roman Pontiff, the chief head of all, has the succession of apostolical authority, never at any time interrupted; which has never counted aught of greater moment than to preach and by all means to keep and defend the doctrine proclaim ed by the apostles, by Christ's command; which, from the apostles' time downward, has increased in the midst of difficulties of every kind ; and being illustrious through out the whole world by the splendor of miracles, multiplied by the blood of martyrs, exalted by the virtues of confessors and virgins, strengthened by the most wise testimonies of the fathers, hath flourished and doth flourish in all the regions of the earth, and shines refulgent in the perfect unity of the faith, of sacraments, and of holy discipline."

Let me paraphrase the above excerpt:


Pius IX

Allocution to the cardinals on the Consistory of the 17th of December, 1847, Pius IX:

It is assuredly not unknown to you, venerable brethren, that in our times many of the enemies of the Catholic faith especially direct their efforts toward placing every monstrous opinion on the same level with the doctrine of Christ, or of confounding it therewith, and so they try more and more to propagate that impious system of the indifference of religions.

But quite recently, we shudder to say it, men have appeared who have thrown such reproaches upon our name and apostolic dignity, that they do not hesitate to slander us, as if we shared in their folly and favored the aforesaid most wicked system.

[. . .] as to suppose that not only the sons of the Church, but that the rest also, however alienated from Catholic unity they may remain, are alike in the way of salvation, and may arrive at everlasting life."

We are at a loss from horror to find words to express our detestation of this new and atrocious injustice that is done us.

St. Thomas Aquinas

Quaestiones disputatae de veritate

Question Fourteen: Faith

ARTICLE XI: In the eleventh article we ask: Is it necessary to believe explicitly?

http://www.clerus.org/bibliaclerusonline/en/g3i.htm

1. We should not posit any proposition from which an untenable conclusion follows. But, if we claim that explicit belief is necessary for salvation, an untenable conclusion follows. For it is possible for someone to be brought up in the forest or among wolves, and such a one cannot have explicit knowledge of any matter of faith. Thus, there will be a man who will inevitably be damned. But this is untenable. Hence, explicit belief in something does not seem necessary.

Answers to Difficulties

1. Granted that everyone is bound to believe something explicitly, no untenable conclusion follows even if someone is brought up in the forest or among wild beasts. For it pertains to divine providence to furnish everyone with what is necessary for salvation, provided that on his part there is no hindrance. Thus, if someone so brought up followed the direction of natural reason in seeking good and avoiding evil, we must most certainly hold that God would either reveal to him through internal inspiration what had to be believed, or would send some preacher of the faith to him as he sent Peter to Cornelius (Acts 10:20).

The term "invincible ignorance," being incomplete and ambiguous therefore scandalous, should be banished from all Catholic's vocabulary whenever speaking or referring to anything having to do with the EENS dogma.

That term should be replaced 100% of the time in thought and word with PPIX's words: "those who are struggling with invincible ignorance about our most holy religion."

When this is done, all ambiguity is removed, it's true meaning is easily and correctly understood because only then is it understood in the Catholic sense which PPIX was speaking and the Church has always taught as regards the EENS dogma.