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Offline Last Tradhican

Re: Sede Fr. Cekada Refuses to believe EENS Dogmas as they are Written
« Reply #5 on: August 08, 2019, 02:34:25 AM »
Sorry for the large lettering, I was not able to correct those postings in time.
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Offline Last Tradhican

Re: Sede Fr. Cekada Refuses to believe EENS Dogmas as they are Written
« Reply #6 on: August 08, 2019, 02:40:16 AM »

Here are excerpts from some dogmas on EENS and how in reality they are responded to (in red) by those who teach that Jews, Mohamedans, Hindus, Buddhists, indeed person in all false religions, can be saved by their belief in a god the rewards. Enjoy!
 
 
 Pope Eugene IV, Council of Florence, “Cantate Domino,” 1441, ex cathedra:
 “The Holy Roman Church firmly believes, professes and preaches that all those who are outside the Catholic Church, not only pagans but also Jews or heretics and schismatics, cannot share in eternal life and will go into the everlasting fire ..and that nobody can be saved, … even if he has shed blood in the name of Christ[/b], unless he has persevered in the bosom and unity of the Catholic Church.” [/color](pagans and Jews can be saved by their belief in a god that rewards, thus they are in the Church. They can’t be saved even if they shed their blood for Christ, but they can be saved by a belief in a god that rewards.)[/size]
 
 
 Pope Innocent III, Fourth Lateran Council, Constitution 1, 1215, ex cathedra: “There is indeed one universal Church of the faithful, outside of which [/size]nobody at all is saved, …(Persons in all false religions can be part of the faithful by their belief in a God that rewards)
 
 Pope Boniface VIII, Unam Sanctam, Nov. 18, 1302, ex cathedra:
 “… this Church outside of which there is no salvation nor remission of sin… Furthermore, … every human creature that they by absolute necessity for salvation are entirely subject to the Roman Pontiff.” (Persons in all false religions by their belief in a God that rewards are inside the Church, so they can have remission of sin. They do not have to be subject to the Roman Pontiff because they do not even know that they have to be baptized Catholics, why further complicate things for tem with submission to the pope?)
 
 Pope Clement V, Council of Vienne, Decree # 30, 1311-1312, ex cathedra:
 “… one universal Church, outside of which there is no salvation, for all of whom there is one Lord, one faith, and one baptism…” (one lord, one faith by their belief in a God that rewards, and one invisible baptism by, you guessed it,  their belief in a god that rewards)
 
 Pope Eugene IV, Council of Florence, Sess. 8, Nov. 22, 1439, ex cathedra:
 “Whoever wishes to be saved, needs above all to hold the Catholic faith; unless each one preserves this whole and inviolate, he will without a doubt perish in eternity.” ( the Catholic faith is belief in a God that rewards)
 
 Pope Leo X, Fifth Lateran Council, Session 11, Dec. 19, 1516, ex cathedra:
 “For, regulars and seculars, prelates and subjects, exempt and non-exempt, belong to the one universal Church, outside of which no one at all is saved, and they all have one Lord and one faith.” ( Just pick a few from the above excuses, from here on it’s a cake walk, just create your own burger with the above ingredients. You’ll be an expert at it in no time.)
 
 Pope Pius IV, Council of Trent, Iniunctum nobis, Nov. 13, 1565, ex cathedra: “This true Catholic faith, outside of which no one can be saved… I now profess and truly hold…”
 
 Pope Benedict XIV, Nuper ad nos, March 16, 1743, Profession of Faith: “This faith of the Catholic Church, without which no one can be saved, and which of my own accord I now profess and truly hold…”
 
 Pope Pius IX, Vatican Council I, Session 2, Profession of Faith, 1870, ex cathedra: “This true Catholic faith, outside of which none can be saved, which I now freely profess and truly hold…”
 
 Council of Trent, Session VI  (Jan. 13, 1547)
 Decree on Justification,
 Chapter IV.
 
 A description is introduced of the Justification of the impious, and of the Manner thereof under the law of grace.
 
 By which words, a description of the Justification of the impious is indicated,-as being a translation, from that state wherein man is born a child of the first Adam, to the state of grace, and of the adoption of the sons of God, through the second Adam, Jesus Christ, our Saviour. And this translation, since the promulgation of the Gospel, cannot be effected, without the laver of regeneration, or the desire thereof, as it is written; unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Ghost, he cannot enter into the Kingdom of God (John 3:5). (this means you do not need to be baptized or have a desire to be baptized. You can be baptized invisible by desire or no desire, you can call no desire implicit desire, you can also receive water baptism with no desire, no, wait a minute that does not go in both directions, it only works for desire or if you have no desire at all. Come to think of it, just forget about all of it, persons in false religions can be justified by their belief in a god that rewards.)
 
 Chapter VII.
 
 What the justification of the impious is, and what are the causes thereof.
 
 This disposition, or preparation, is followed by Justification itself, which is not remission of sins merely, but also the sanctification and renewal of the inward man, through the voluntary reception of the grace, and of the gifts, whereby man of unjust becomes just, and of an enemy a friend, that so he may be an heir according to hope of life everlasting.
 
 Of this Justification the causes are these: the final cause indeed is the glory of God and of Jesus Christ, and life everlasting; while the efficient cause is a merciful God who washes and sanctifies gratuitously, signing, and anointing with the holy Spirit of promise, who is the pledge of our inheritance; but the meritorious cause is His most beloved only-begotten, our Lord Jesus Christ, who, when we were enemies, for the exceeding charity wherewith he loved us, merited Justification for us by His most holy Passion on the wood of the cross, and made satisfaction for us unto God the Father; the instrumental cause is the sacrament of baptism, which is the sacrament of faith, without which no man was ever justified;(except all persons in false religions, they can be justified by their belief in a god that rewards)
 
 
 
 Pope Eugene IV, The Council of Florence, “Exultate Deo,” Nov. 22, 1439, ex cathedra:  “Holy baptism, which is the gateway to the spiritual life, holds the first place among all the sacraments; through it we are made members of Christ and of the body of the Church.  And since death entered the universe through the first man, ‘unless we are born again of water and the Spirit, we cannot,’ as the Truth says, ‘enter into the kingdom of heaven’ [John 3:5].  The matter of this sacrament is real and natural water.” (Just ignore that language, all persons in false religions can be justified by their belief in a god that rewards)
 
 
 
 Council of Trent. Seventh Session. March, 1547. Decree on the Sacraments.
 On Baptism
 
 Canon 2. If anyone shall say that real and natural water is not necessary for baptism, and on that account those words of our Lord Jesus Christ: "Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God (John 3:5), are distorted into some metaphor: let him be anathema.( any persons in false religions can be invisible baptized and justified by their belief in a god that rewards)
 
 
 Canon 5. If any one saith, that baptism is optional, that is, not necessary unto salvation; let him be anathema (the pope is also speaking here of the invisible baptism of persons in false religions that are baptized and justified by their belief in a god that rewards)
 
 
 Pope Pius XII, Mystici Corporis (# 22), June 29, 1943: “Actually only those are to be numbered among the members of the Church who have received the laver of regeneration and profess the true faith.”( the laver of regeneration can be had invisible and the true faith is  belief in a god that rewards)
 
 Pope Pius XII, Mediator Dei (# 43), Nov. 20, 1947: “In the same
 way, actually that baptism is the distinctive mark of all
 Christians, and serves to differentiate them from those who
 have not been cleansed in this purifying stream and
 consequently are not members of Christ
 orders sets the priest apart from the rest of the faithful who
 have not received this consecration.” ( person who believe in a god that rewards do not need the mark, but they are in the Church. Somehow)
 
 
 (Oh, I forgot, no one mentions it anymore, it is now out of fashion, so I did not include it above, invincible ignorance. If you are old fashioned, just throw in a few invinble ignorants up there with the rest of the ingredients)
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Offline roscoe

Re: Sede Fr. Cekada Refuses to believe EENS Dogmas as they are Written
« Reply #7 on: August 08, 2019, 02:49:35 AM »
There is  NO SUCH THING as a 'Sede'... :cheers:
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Offline Struthio

Re: Sede Fr. Cekada Refuses to believe EENS Dogmas as they are Written
« Reply #8 on: August 08, 2019, 06:08:06 AM »
Quote from: Last Tradhican on August 08, 2019, 02:01:45 AM
The SSPV, The Roman Catholic,  Fall 2003, p. 7: “With the strict, literal interpretation of this doctrine, however, I must take issue, for if I read and understand the strict interpreters correctly, nowhere is allowance made for invincible ignorance, conscience, or good faith on the part of those who are not actual or formal members of the Church at the moment of death.  It is inconceivable to me that, of all the billions of non-Catholics who have died in the past nineteen and one-half centuries, none of them were in good faith in this matter and, if they were, I simply refuse to believe that hell is their eternal destiny.”

Cekada refuses to believe in infallible Catholic dogma and prefers his own fallible insights. How is that different from the Conciliar Antipopes, he rejects? What's his problem with the Conciliar Costume Club, where they all do exactly the same?

Probably, he shares the reason he gives for his rejection of Catholic dogma with most of the other impostors, who call themselves Catholics but reject infallibly defined dogma of the Church of Our Lord.

Beware of costume clubs appropriating church vestments and rites.
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Offline ByzCat3000

Re: Sede Fr. Cekada Refuses to believe EENS Dogmas as they are Written
« Reply #9 on: August 08, 2019, 07:28:30 AM »
I believe Florence is ultimately referring to the formal heretic, and saying that even if he shed his blood for Christ, he'd still be damned.  Someone like a John Calvin, or a James White who's spent his life opposing the true Church of Jesus Christ, would be damned even if he went to the Muhammadeans with his false version of Christianity, and died for it.  I don't think Florence is ruling out the possibility that you could have a confused man who visibly identifies as Protestant, who's actually of good faith and is actually Catholic.  

Augustine, for instance, says this in Letter 43 to the Donatists

//[color=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.87)]1. The[/color][color=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.87)] [/color]Apostle Paul[color=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.87)] [/color][color=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.87)]has said:[/color][color=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.87)] [/color][color=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.87)]A man that is an heretic after the first and second admonition reject, knowing that he that is such is subverted and sins, being condemned of himself.[/color][color=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.87)] [/color]Titus 3:10-11[color=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.87)] [/color][color=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.87)]But though the doctrine which men hold be false and perverse, if they do not maintain it with passionate obstinacy, especially when they have not devised it by the rashness of their own presumption, but have accepted it from[/color][color=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.87)] [/color]parents[color=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.87)] [/color][color=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.87)]who had been misguided and had fallen into[/color][color=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.87)] [/color]error[color=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.87)], and if they are with anxiety seeking the[/color][color=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.87)] [/color]truth[color=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.87)], and are prepared to be set right when they have found it, such men are not to be counted[/color][color=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.87)] [/color]heretics[color=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.87)]. Were it not that I[/color][color=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.87)] [/color]believe[color=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.87)] [/color][color=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.87)]you to be such, perhaps I would not write to you. And yet even in the case of a[/color][color=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.87)] [/color]heretic[color=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.87)], however puffed up with odious conceit, and insane through the obstinacy of his[/color][color=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.87)] [/color]wicked[color=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.87)] [/color][color=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.87)]resistance to[/color][color=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.87)] [/color]truth[color=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.87)], although we warn others to avoid him, so that he may not deceive the weak and inexperienced, we do not refuse to strive by every means in our power for his correction. On this ground I wrote even to some of the chief of the[/color][color=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.87)] [/color]Donatists[color=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.87)], not indeed letters of communion, which on account of their perversity they have long ceased to receive from the undivided[/color][color=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.87)] [/color]Catholic[color=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.87)] [/color]Church[color=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.87)] [/color][color=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.87)]which is spread throughout the world, but letters of a private kind, such as we may send even to[/color][color=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.87)] [/color]pagans[color=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.87)]. These letters, however, though they have sometimes read them, they have not been willing, or perhaps it is more probable, have not been able, to answer. In these cases, it seems to me that I have discharged the obligation laid on me by that[/color][color=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.87)] [/color]love[color=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.87)] [/color][color=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.87)]which the[/color][color=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.87)] [/color]Holy Spirit[color=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.87)] [/color][color=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.87)]teaches us to render, not only to our own, but to all, saying by the apostle:[/color][color=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.87)] [/color][color=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.87)]The Lord make you to increase and abound in love one toward another, and toward all men.[/color][color=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.87)] [/color]1 Thessalonians 3:12[color=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.87)] [/color][color=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.87)]In another place we are warned that those who are of a different opinion from us must be corrected with meekness,[/color][color=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.87)] [/color][color=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.87)]if God perhaps will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth, and that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.[/color][color=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.87)] [/color]2 Timothy 2:25-26
[color=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.87)]2. I have said these things by way of preface, lest any one should think, because you are not of our communion, that I have been influenced by forwardness rather than consideration in sending this letter, and in desiring thus to confer with you regarding the welfare of the soul; though I believe that, if I were writing to you about an affair of property, or the settlement of some dispute about money, no one would find fault with me. So precious is this world in the esteem of men, and so small is the value which they set upon themselves! This letter, therefore, shall be a witness in my vindication at the bar of God, who knows the spirit in which I write, and who has said: Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the sons of God. Matthew 5:9[/color]
//

While I realize Augustine isn't speaking dogmatically here, I don't see any evidence that the framework he presents here is heretical.

I admit I'm less sure on the whole "God that rewards" thing.  I'm not convinced that some type of framework where that's *possible* necessarily contradicts the dogmas, but even if it doesn't, that doesn't mean that ever actually happens.  I mean, I'm not convinced God has completely closed that door, but I'm very, very skeptical.
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