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Author Topic: Sede Fr. Cekada Refuses to believe EENS Dogmas as they are Written  (Read 9890 times)

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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Sede Fr. Cekada Refuses to believe EENS Dogmas as they are Written
« Reply #25 on: August 08, 2019, 07:56:27 PM »
Quote from: confederate catholic on August 08, 2019, 07:06:14 PM
Yes essentially Feenyites are Dogmatic about it.

About what?  We are certainly dogmatic about the fact that there's no salvation outside the Church.  What do you have in mind here?
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Offline ByzCat3000

Re: Sede Fr. Cekada Refuses to believe EENS Dogmas as they are Written
« Reply #26 on: August 08, 2019, 07:59:01 PM »
Quote from: Ladislaus on August 08, 2019, 07:56:27 PM
About what?  We are certainly dogmatic about the fact that there's no salvation outside the Church.  What do you have in mind here?
Not just that.  Also a particular definition of what it means to be outside the church.  Which is the issue at hand.
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Offline Pax Vobis

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Re: Sede Fr. Cekada Refuses to believe EENS Dogmas as they are Written
« Reply #27 on: August 08, 2019, 11:20:10 PM »

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I honestly see zero issue with what +Lefebvre said about this issue

What +ABL was arguing for has nothing to do with BOD; the question of “ignorant” non-Catholics is a totally separate question.  It’s also easier to answer because theologians are much more in unison.  +ABL’s opinion is totally contrary to St Thomas, St Augustine and (most recently) Pope St Pius X.  The fact that people mix-n-match the issues of “ignorance of the Faith” with BOD shows the depths of confusion that the enemies of the Church have sown since the 1600s.  It also shows the extreme deterioration of critical thinking of Modern man. 
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Offline confederate catholic

Re: Sede Fr. Cekada Refuses to believe EENS Dogmas as they are Written
« Reply #28 on: August 09, 2019, 12:19:53 AM »
Ladislas I am not suggesting anything else than that they hold as dogmatic opinions not expressly condemned. One can hold a EENS without being a heretic for believing in baptism of blood. To a Feenyite it would be heresy. Hope that clarifys my statement
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Offline Pax Vobis

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Re: Sede Fr. Cekada Refuses to believe EENS Dogmas as they are Written
« Reply #29 on: August 09, 2019, 08:27:37 AM »
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One can hold a EENS without being a heretic for believing in baptism of blood. To a Feenyite it would be heresy.
That's not true.  BOD/BOB is not heresy, yet it's not "de fide".  The gray area which the Church has yet to define applies to catechumens only.  Feeneyites call heresy when anyone speaks of BOD/BOB in relation to people who are not formal catechumens.  This is the only situation that the Church Fathers, St Thomas and St Alphonsus speak of it.  They too, would consider it heresy.
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