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Offline Pax Vobis

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Re: Sean Johnson's "implicit desire" quote is a fake
« Reply #5 on: August 23, 2018, 12:45:04 PM »
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but the passages from his article which I cited were connected by ellipses (...), indicating there was a gap between the two quotes taken from that article.
Ellipses are used to denote a gap between sentences that typically come from the SAME PERSON, or the SAME paragraph.
In your case, the two quotes were separated by 7 different paragraphs, and 5 different quotes from 5 separate sources.  That's like using an ellipse to string together a quote from chaper 1 of a book and chapter 8 of a DIFFERENT book by a DIFFERENT author. 

Re: Sean Johnson's "implicit desire" quote is a fake
« Reply #6 on: August 23, 2018, 12:56:08 PM »
Ellipses are used to denote a gap between sentences that typically come from the SAME PERSON, or the SAME paragraph.
In your case, the two quotes were separated by 7 different paragraphs, and 5 different quotes from 5 separate sources.  That's like using an ellipse to string together a quote from chaper 1 of a book and chapter 8 of a DIFFERENT book by a DIFFERENT author.

Nonsense:

1) Had you ever bothered to click on the link in the first place, you would not have made your accusations;

2) Regarding the distance bridged by the ellipses, you yourself noted there is only half a page between them.

Please keep in mind:

The retraction I seek of you is for your own good, not mine (though I am losing hope, as already having acknowledged one mistake, you followed it with no apology, despite the moderately serious ad hominem of dishonesty).

I can assure you of this:

Had I in my zeal (like you) made a mistaken accusation of deliberate dishonesty, in a hasty desire to trip up an opponent, suddenly discovered my accusations to be false, I would retract and immediately apologize (as in fact all know me to have done on occasion, though I have never had to do so for wrongly alleging deliberate dishonesty).

Not to do so implies a deliberate disregard for truth and justice.


Offline Pax Vobis

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Re: Sean Johnson's "implicit desire" quote is a fake
« Reply #7 on: August 23, 2018, 01:07:09 PM »
The quote is a fake, not because I thought it was +ABL's (which is my mistake and which I didn't accuse you of anything in this regard).  I accuse you of posting a fake quote because you improperly used an ellipses to connect 2 different thoughts, from 2 different authors.  I will not retract this accusation.

The fact that both quotes came from the same website is meaningless.  I can't post a quote from St Thomas' Summa and then post my interpretation of the Summa and pass it off as one complete thought.  That's wrong.  I said that your connection of these quotes was "potentially fraudulent".  Based on your explanation, no fraud was involved and I apologize.  I will reduce my charge from potentially fraudulent to "false citation due to laziness".


Re: Sean Johnson's "implicit desire" quote is a fake
« Reply #8 on: August 23, 2018, 01:14:17 PM »
The quote is a fake, not because I thought it was +ABL's (which is my mistake and which I didn't accuse you of anything in this regard).  I accuse you of posting a fake quote because you improperly used an ellipses to connect 2 different thoughts, from 2 different authors.  I will not retract this accusation.

The fact that both quotes came from the same website is meaningless.  I can't post a quote from St Thomas' Summa and then post my interpretation of the Summa and pass it off as one complete thought.  That's wrong.  I said that your connection of these quotes was "potentially fraudulent".  Based on your explanation, no fraud was involved and I apologize.  I will reduce my charge from potentially fraudulent to "false citation due to laziness".

Once again, you diverge from reality:

The entire quote is from ONE AUTHOR: FR TAOUK (who, in the selection I cited, supplies his own thoughts, then cites St Augustine, as everyone who bothered to click on the link is fully aware).

Well, I tried in vain yet again to help you, and probably should have realized it would only build your obstinacy.

But since I do not want to do that, yet again I am shaking off the dust.

You just go right ahead and consider me a liar.

Pax vobis,

Sean Johnson

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Re: Sean Johnson's "implicit desire" quote is a fake
« Reply #9 on: August 23, 2018, 01:35:18 PM »
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The entire quote is from ONE AUTHOR: FR TAOUK (who, in the selection I cited, supplies his own thoughts, then cites St Augustine, as everyone who bothered to click on the link is fully aware).
Fr Taouk cited St Augustine for the WHOLE paragraph (citation #13), (except for the quote from Scripture).  It's not clear which sentences are Fr Taouk's thoughts and which are St Augustine's, since he does not quote St Augustine directly, but paraphrases him.

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.  I apologize for calling you a lazy citation-er.  Fr Taouk is the lazy one.
Also, if the quote in question is not from St Augustine, then he's not the heretic but Fr Taouk.  We'll never know until we ask Fr Taouk.