Author Topic: Salvific Will, Predestination, EENS (Read 16573 times)

DecemRationis · « **Reply #30 on:** September 09, 2010, 06:53:54 AM »

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Sure, God is not limited by the Sacraments

Now for that statement to have any meaning, it must mean that someone can be saved without water baptism.

Perhaps I didn't make myself clear. So let me make myself clear: God is not limited by the sacrament of baptism in saving a soul, and can save without baptism. I never said He couldn't. Never.

I said "he doesn't." In other words, to make it clear, "I don't believe He does." If I don't believe He does, it means, to me, "he doesn't."

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According to your view (it would seem) it's not possible for anyone to be saved without water baptism.

I never said that. Let me repeat it for you somewhat differently: I think God could save a man without baptism, but I don't believe he has, and I don't believe that he will. This is an opinion on my part which could be wrong, and that's fine by me.

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No, I don't like your position, and I don't think it's Catholic.

Excuse me? You have the position crystal clear now. Do you want to retract that accusation? If not, please support it with some authority.

Save yourself some brain cells: make the retraction.

DR

DecemRationis · « **Reply #31 on:** September 09, 2010, 06:57:14 AM »

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According to your view (it would seem)

No, according to your interpretation it would seem. I never said what you allege I said.

Stop battling your Feeneyite demons and have the courtesy to listen to what I'm saying and respond to what I'm saying.

Thank you.

DR

DecemRationis · « **Reply #32 on:** September 09, 2010, 07:23:37 AM »

Just so we're clear on the "Feeneyite" position:

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From Bread of Life, page 121:

Question: If you got int the state of justification with the aid of "Baptism of Desire", and then failed to receive Baptism of Water, could you be saved?

Answer: Never.

This is not my position.

DR

DecemRationis · « **Reply #33 on:** September 09, 2010, 07:25:07 AM »

trad,

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DecemRationis, am I correct in my assumption that Fr. Paul Trinchard followed Fr. Feeney in his interpretation of the Church's Magisterial docuмents?

I don't know the answer on that at the moment.

DR

Matto · « **Reply #34 on:** September 09, 2010, 07:36:00 AM »

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Just so we're clear on the "Feeneyite" position:

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From Bread of Life, page 121:

Question: If you got int the state of justification with the aid of "Baptism of Desire", and then failed to receive Baptism of Water, could you be saved?

Answer: Never.

This is not my position.

DR

If this is the "Feeneyite" position, that there is such a thing as "baptism of desire" but that it does not save, then I misused the word "Feeneyite" in my previous post out of ignorance. I apologize.