Author Topic: Saints Bernard, Augustine, Ambrose Against the Feeneyite Heresy (Read 18738 times)

CM · « **Reply #10 on:** September 23, 2009, 12:36:43 PM »

You just can't do it. The words are obvious and plain as day. NOBODY can do it, otherwise I would believe in baptism of desire.

But it is A DIRECT CONTRADICTION OF DOGMATIC DECREES.

Caminus, do you forget that I am not the only one on this board? I have answered your mixed up 'theology', not for your benefit, because you are BLIND but for that of others who may actually have some good will.

Caminus · « **Reply #11 on:** September 23, 2009, 01:10:54 PM »

Thanks, I'll be "blind" with all of the saints, fathers, doctors and popes. The new Illuminati always despise the doctrinal traditions of the Church. You must be the embodiment of the New Pentecost. You are the Enlightened One sent by God to correct the entire Catholic Church that has existed for 2,000. Hey, I know a good Mormon church that would love to hear from you.

CM · « **Reply #12 on:** September 23, 2009, 01:23:34 PM »

You overstate your case. Show me one pope who taught baptism of desire in his formal capacity, the only person you can propose is Pius XII, but this is a fallacy, since he was heretical on this point AND OTHERS.

CM · « **Reply #13 on:** September 23, 2009, 01:24:18 PM »

Therefore not a Catholic, or a pope.

ProphecyFilm · « **Reply #14 on:** September 23, 2009, 03:10:03 PM »

Pius XII was a legitimate pope. Popes can err in fallible speeches and docuмents. No legitimate pope can err in dogmatic statements and docuмents addressed to the whole church, this is why we can trust in the church teachings definitely. Pope Pius XII never taught any heresy dogmatically, he did however, teach heresies in fallible speeches, such as nfp (natural family planning), and, as you said, if he did talk about baptism of desire, which of course, is another heresy.

It's a fact that no Pope in the history of the Catholic Church has taught dogmatically that one can be saved with baptism of blood or with baptism of desire. There are, however, numerous dogmatic definitions clarifying the fact that one is in need of the actual element of water for salvation, without exception.

Saints and Doctors of the Church can be wrong and have been wrong in much, teaching baptism of blood and baptism of desire. Saint Thomas Aquinas believed and wrote down that the blessed Virgin Mary was conceived in sin, (which was before the dogma of the immaculate conception was defined), further proving the fallibility of Saints and Doctors of the Church, yet again affirming the validity and infallibility of dogmatic definitions of popes.