Author Topic: Saints and Church Fathers on baptism of desire (Read 6571 times)

Caminus · « **Reply #1 on:** August 15, 2009, 01:39:20 AM »

I've finally figured it out. You're nothing but a low-down, rotten Jehovah's Witness.

CM · « **Reply #2 on:** August 15, 2009, 01:47:28 AM »

Quote from: Caminus

I've finally figured it out. You're nothing but a low-down, rotten Jehovah's Witness.

:roll-laugh1: :roll-laugh1: :roll-laugh1: :roll-laugh1: :roll-laugh1: :roll-laugh1: :roll-laugh1:

Then explain this.

CMMM · « **Reply #3 on:** August 15, 2009, 08:10:04 AM »

Quote from: Catholic Martyr

It is a common belief that Catholics who suffer martyrdom are granted full forgiveness for temporal punishment due to sins committed since baptism. There is nothing heretical about this belief at all.

Citation?

And I have heard the accusation that Augustine changed his position before. Could you point me to an accurate article showing such?

CM · « **Reply #4 on:** August 15, 2009, 12:57:55 PM »

No. I'm done debating you.

Dawn · « **Reply #5 on:** August 16, 2009, 07:45:43 AM »

Quote from: Caminus

I've finally figured it out. You're nothing but a low-down, rotten Jehovah's Witness.

I think you are correct to take your ad-hominem debate skills to MHFM. CM uses charity in all of his replies. Stick to the topic and not name calling.
And, again for one who follows Benedict as pope, you think to not reply to you means that you have one the debate. I will longer reply to you Caminus as anyone who follows Benedict 16 is not Catholic. I know, I know, my soul is black, heard it before from you. I do not deny any dogma of the Faith, nor am I in a state of Mortal Sin. Becareful whom you condemn.
For that matter, no one is condemed according to NewChurch. No one that is except someone who holds the True Faith.

gladius_veritatis · « **Reply #6 on:** August 17, 2009, 01:15:22 AM »

What is wrong with this thread's layout/format?

gladius_veritatis · « **Reply #7 on:** August 17, 2009, 01:16:27 AM »

We need a new page...

gladius_veritatis · « **Reply #8 on:** August 17, 2009, 01:17:07 AM »

I sense a new page just around the corner...

gladius_veritatis · « **Reply #9 on:** August 17, 2009, 02:11:47 AM »

Quote from: Dawn

For that matter, no one is condemned according to NewChurch...

Historically, such an extreme position always draws an equally extreme reaction from one quarter or another. The heretical and imbalanced emphasis placed upon one of two complimentary truths leads to an equally heretical over-emphasis of the other of the two truths. This is a fact of history, even if one leaves the disagreements surrounding EENS out of account for the present.

gladius_veritatis · « **Reply #10 on:** August 17, 2009, 02:13:58 AM »

Quote from: gladius_veritatis

Historically, such an extreme position always draws an equally extreme reaction from one quarter or another.

Mind you, those responding to the initial heresy always fancy that they are somehow "saving the day", all the while oblivious to their own precarious position.

CM · « **Reply #11 on:** August 17, 2009, 02:36:09 AM »

Turn the page

CM · « **Reply #12 on:** August 17, 2009, 02:37:42 AM »

Turn it!

CM · « **Reply #13 on:** August 17, 2009, 02:38:13 AM »

CM · « **Reply #14 on:** August 17, 2009, 02:39:30 AM »

YES!

Okay, where were we?

Quote from: gladius_veritatis

Historically, such an extreme position always draws an equally extreme reaction from one quarter or another...

Mind you, those responding to the initial heresy always fancy that they are somehow "saving the day", all the while oblivious to their own precarious position.

Strict adherence to the infallible dogmatic declarations is extreme? It's a rather more precarious position to think we can deny them, Gladius. That is the position you hold.