Author Topic: Saints and Church Fathers on baptism of desire (Read 17284 times)

gladius_veritatis · « **Reply #50 on:** August 19, 2009, 07:22:09 AM »

Quote from: Catholic Martyr

And I have a question for you: Do you acknowledge that I am correct about Basel and Ad Evitanda Scandala? Why or why not?

What exactly are you saying about the two? That they do not gel?

If so, I think you are incorrect. If you do think they gel, I would argue it is due to the fact that you take the second part of the quote I provided in (sound of beating drum) too strict a manner.

To say that NO ONE, in these insane days, can be "in any way excused in law" is absurd. It is precisely because the order of law has yet to reflect the order of fact that we have such a mess.

gladius_veritatis · « **Reply #51 on:** August 19, 2009, 07:23:13 AM »

Quote from: gladius_veritatis

If you do think they gel...

Sorry...if you do think that they do NOT gel...

gladius_veritatis · « **Reply #52 on:** August 19, 2009, 07:25:16 AM »

Quote from: Catholic Martyr

...I don't think you agree with sound theology, since you allow the world to tell you how to interpret a dogmatic statement, rather than simply believing and obeying the words of God as would a child.

Would you have the nerve to say such an absurd thing to St Alphonsus, for example, if he were standing before you?

gladius_veritatis · « **Reply #53 on:** August 19, 2009, 07:51:11 AM »

I thought Basel rang a bell...

from http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/02334b.htm

...Whether Basle is to be regarded as a general council, and if so, in what sense, has been often warmly discussed. The extreme Gallicans (e.g. Edmund Richer, Hist. Concil. Gen., III, vii) contend that it should be reckoned as cuмenical from its beginning (1431) till its end in Lausanne (1449); while the moderate writers of the Gallican school (e.g. Nat. Alexander, IX, pp. 433-599) admit that after the appearance of the Bull of Eugene IV (18 September, 1437) transferring the council to Ferrara, the proceedings at Basle can be regarded only as the work of a schismatical conventicle. On the other hand, writers like Bellarmine (De Concil., I, vii), Roncaglia, and Holstein absolutely refuse to number Basle among the general councils of the Church on account of the small number of bishops in attendance at the beginning, and the subsequent rebellious attitude in face of the papal decrees of dissolution. The true opinion seems to be that put forward by Hefele (Conciliengesch., 2d ed., I, 63-99) that the assembly at Basle may be regarded as ecuмenical from the beginning until the Bull "Doctoris Gentium" (18 September, 1437) transferred its sessions to Ferrera, and that the decrees passed during that period regarding the extirpation of heresy, the establishment of peace among Christian nations, and the reform of the Church, if they are not prejudicial to the Apostolic See, may be considered as the decrees of a general council...

Caraffa · « **Reply #54 on:** August 19, 2009, 05:11:40 PM »

The fact that there was no uproar from any Catholics at the time of Benedict XV or Pius XI, etc proves their legitimacy theologically.

Theological Note:    Theologically certain.
Equivalent term:     Dogmatic fact; theological conclusion.
Explanation:    A truth logically following from one proposition which is Divinely revealed and another which is historically certain.
Example:    Legitimacy of Pope Pius XI.
Censure attached to contradictory proposition:   Error (in theology).
Effects of denial:    Mortal sin against faith.

On the Value of Theological Notes and the Criteria for Discerning Them by Father Sixtus Cartechini S.J. 1951