Author Topic: Saints and Church Fathers on baptism of desire (Read 17288 times)

gladius_veritatis · « **Reply #40 on:** August 18, 2009, 06:30:05 AM »

There are a mere 17 Doctors of Holy Church. They have been raised to that status, by Holy Church, the Immaculate Spouse of the Holy Ghost, for a reason. They knew whereof they spoke/wrote.

As we tend to fall into errors of excess or defect in all kinds of matters, it IS possible to have too much appreciation for them, but it is also possible to have too little appreciation for them.

gladius_veritatis · « **Reply #41 on:** August 18, 2009, 07:31:31 AM »

Note: While I imagine it is technically possible to esteem the Doctors too highly, I have never heard of anyone actually doing so. The same cannot be said for having a defective appreciation. Such does, in fact, occur.

CM · « **Reply #42 on:** August 18, 2009, 12:34:36 PM »

Gladius, it is incredibly ironic that you would use Ad Evitanda Scandala to 'prove your point'. Did you get that from the Dimond brothers?

You are making a big mistake. One that is very obvious and very easily refuted. The short and easy answer is this: Ad Evitanda Scandala is only a disciplinary teaching, and it speaks only of people who are formally excommunicated as you know.

But the Council of Basel made a decree less than 20 years later, which was approved by Pope Eugene IV, declaring dogmatically that we are to avoid ALL communion with those who have INCURRED excommunication BY THE LAW (ipso facto).

The details of the refutation are contained in this article.

Furthermore, the '1917 Code of Canon Law' is not binding on Catholics, since it was promulgated by an antipope, Benedict XV, who had no authority in the Holy Catholic Church.

Think about your position: You are saying, based on a flawed understanding of Church discipline, that a person may go to an 'Eastern Orthodox' priest in danger of death, that a person may go to the ENEMIES of God to receive sacraments. This is untenable in the face of the dogmatic decree from Basel, and from the Scriptures themselves.

gladius_veritatis · « **Reply #43 on:** August 19, 2009, 01:17:55 AM »

Quote from: Catholic Martyr

Furthermore, the '1917 Code of Canon Law' is not binding on Catholics, since it was promulgated by an antipope, Benedict XV, who had no authority in the Holy Catholic Church.

As if I did not know this load of bull was going to be served up again?

Where has the Church been since 1914 until now/you? Can you point to ANYONE who held the Catholic Faith, "inviolate", during the time of BXV and after (until 'heroes' like yourself, of course)? No, you cannot - not according to your own twisted, dark understanding of things. You are in a straight-jacket of an argument, and you refuse to be free. Good luck with that one.

CM · « **Reply #44 on:** August 19, 2009, 02:24:13 AM »

There's no such thing as luck. :wink:

Mr. Shea, your argumentation always boils down to the same thing: "Who else believes like you?"

That is always the question I seem to be getting from you once I have presented my case, thoroughly backed up with authoritative Catholic teachings. Sorry but it's that's an insufficient plea. An argument from emotion is not the way to resolve a doctrinal dispute. If it were to turn out that I am wrong, some sound theology would quickly prove it. Bring it please, if you can.

Don't let me go to hell.

That being said, I don't think you agree with sound theology, since you allow the world to tell you how to interpret a dogmatic statement, rather than simply believing and obeying the words of God as would a child.