Author Topic: Saints and Church Fathers on baptism of desire (Read 17289 times)

gladius_veritatis · « **Reply #15 on:** August 17, 2009, 02:46:29 AM »

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GO!

Ah, the glories of teamwork! :alcohol: Thank you!

gladius_veritatis · « **Reply #16 on:** August 17, 2009, 02:50:42 AM »

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Strict adherence to the infallible dogmatic declarations is extreme?

If the "strictness" is opposed to what the Church herself teaches, yes.

Out of curiosity, what exactly do you think the heresies of Calvin, for example, were all about?

He placed undue emphasis upon one of two complimentary truths, eventually denying one of them altogether. That is how it works.

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It's a rather more precarious position to think we can deny them, Gladius. That is the position you hold.

It is kind of obvious that my response to such is: "No, I do not."

CM · « **Reply #17 on:** August 17, 2009, 03:29:04 AM »

I don't know how you can reconcile the decree from Vienne, for example, without denying it outright.

One sentence it says that all are faithfully to prrofess ONE baptism that regenerates all who are baptized in Christ, and the next sentence describes that very baptism.

It is a closed case. There is no baptism other than that, which regenerates those baptized in Christ. And all the other decrees, though worded in different ways, all support the very same understanding.

CM · « **Reply #18 on:** August 17, 2009, 03:30:26 AM »

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GO!

Ah, the glories of teamwork! :alcohol: Thank you!

My pleasure. It was driving me nuts.

gladius_veritatis · « **Reply #19 on:** August 17, 2009, 04:13:51 AM »

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One sentence it says that all are faithfully to profess ONE baptism that regenerates all who are baptized in Christ, and the next sentence describes that very baptism.

Yes, it does, and this is what I believe. Let us get ONE thing straight:

Those who believe there are such things as BoD and BoB do NOT believe in THREE Baptisms, but in THREE WAYS to receive the GRACE of the ONE Baptism (just as there are TWO WAYS to receive the GRACE of Penance or Holy Communion, although in each case there is only ONE sacrament). Even if you disagree with me on this point, at least try to understand said point accurately, not in a distorted manner.