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Offline Last Tradhican

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RomanTheo- Another Implicit Faith'er Hiding his Real Belief
« on: March 14, 2021, 06:51:49 PM »
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    Last Tradhican asked 5 times -  What flavor of BOD are you promoting here? Define your BOD in the fewest words possible (it) . Be the first BODer to ever do it on CI or anywhere else I've been to in 25+ years.



    RomanTheo finally responded     -  A supernatural act of faith, combined with an act of perfect charity and the desire to receive baptism. This disposes the soul to receive an infusion of sanctifying grace from Christ, which makes him an adopted child of God and heir of heaven.  If he dies in this state he is saved, even if he lacks the baptismal character.


    Last Tradhican answers: You deny clear dogmas, to teach that they do not mean what they say, and you expect me to believe your ambiguous sophism?  This is typical of you vipers, fake Thomists. No truth comes from you.

    Answer two simple questions:

    Why are you killing this person before God completes what is TOTALLY His doing?

    What exactly is this "desire to receive baptism", is it the explicit desire to be a baptized Catholic, the baptism of desire of the catechumen of St. Thomas? Or is it the  implicit faith of a Muslim, Hindu, Jєω?
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    Re: RomanTheo- Another Implicit Faith'er Hiding his Real Belief
    « Reply #1 on: March 15, 2021, 01:08:36 PM »
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    • cricket, cricket, cricket........


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    Re: RomanTheo- Another Implicit Faith'er Hiding his Real Belief
    « Reply #2 on: March 15, 2021, 01:50:30 PM »
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    • Quote from: Last Tradhican on March 14, 2021, 06:51:49 PM

    Answer two simple questions:

    Why are you killing this person before God completes what is TOTALLY His doing?
    I didn't kill anyone.  

    If the person in the hypothetical scenario died in the state of grace, before having received baptism, God would have already completed what was necessary for him to be saved.  Men are saved by sanctifying grace, not by the baptismal character.   No one before Fr. Feeney held that the character was necessary for salvation.  

    The Sacrament of Baptism is absolutely necessary in its effect, but the effect can be received prior to reception of the Sacrament. 


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    What exactly is this "desire to receive baptism", is it the explicit desire to be a baptized Catholic, the baptism of desire of the catechumen of St. Thomas? Or is it the  implicit faith of a Muslim, Hindu, Jєω?

    The common teaching, as found in most pre and post Conciliar catechisms, is that implicit desire for baptism suffices:


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    Catechism of Pius X: 

    17 Q. Can the absence of Baptism be supplied in any other way?

    A. The absence of Baptism can be supplied by martyrdom, which is called Baptism of Blood, or by an act of perfect love of God, or of contrition, along with the desire, at least implicit, of Baptism, and this is called Baptism of Desire.

    Countless Catholics who died after the Council of Trent saved their soul by believing what the Catechism of Pius X just taught.  Whether any Feeneyite has been saved is an open question. 

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    Re: RomanTheo- Another Implicit Faith'er Hiding his Real Belief
    « Reply #3 on: March 15, 2021, 06:29:57 PM »
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    What exactly is this "desire to receive baptism", is it the explicit desire to be a baptized Catholic, the baptism of desire of the catechumen of St. Thomas? Or is it the  implicit faith of a Muslim, Hindu, Jєω?


    The common teaching, as found in most pre and post Conciliar catechisms, is that implicit desire for baptism suffices:
    Catechism of Pius X:
     
     
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    17 Q. Can the absence of Baptism be supplied in any other way?
     
     A. The absence of Baptism can be supplied by martyrdom, which is called Baptism of Blood, or by an act of perfect love of God, or of contrition, along with the desire, at least implicit, of Baptism, and this is called Baptism of Desire.


    You have not defined your implicit desire, you continue to avoid the question. What exactly is this "desire to receive baptism", is it the explicit desire to be a baptized Catholic, the baptism of desire of the catechumen of St. Thomas? Or is it the  implicit faith of a Muslim, Hindu, Jєω?
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    Re: RomanTheo- Another Implicit Faith'er Hiding his Real Belief
    « Reply #4 on: March 15, 2021, 06:35:28 PM »
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    • Quote from: RomanTheo on March 15, 2021, 01:50:30 PM

    I didn't kill anyone.  If the person in the hypothetical scenario died in the state of grace, before having received baptism, God would have already completed what was necessary for him to be saved.  Men are saved by sanctifying grace, not by the baptismal character.   No one before Fr. Feeney held that the character was necessary for salvation.
    No Father, Saint, Doctor, Pope or Council ever taught what you just made up. No one dies before God wills it so. So you are killing someone before God can complete what he started. The baptizing is the easiest part, it just takes 3 seconds.   It is you who is creating a scenario that has never existed. You are inventing it to save people who have no explicit desire to be Catholic, or to be baptized. 
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    Re: RomanTheo- Another Implicit Faith'er Hiding his Real Belief
    « Reply #5 on: March 15, 2021, 06:42:29 PM »
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    • Quote from: RomanTheo on March 15, 2021, 01:50:30 PM
    Countless Catholics who died after the Council of Trent saved their soul by believing what the Catechism of Pius X just taught.  Whether any Feeneyite has been saved is an open question.

    You teach that Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, Jҽωs, indeed any non-Catholic, can be saved by their beliefs, but that Catholics who interpret the dogmas on EENS as they are written, will not be saved.
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    Re: RomanTheo- Another Implicit Faith'er Hiding his Real Belief
    « Reply #6 on: March 16, 2021, 09:31:28 AM »
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    • This is a thread dedicated to knowing what one person believes and yet they are reluctant to spell it out. How come? It is because deep down they themselves find it hard to believe. You will never find a Thomist BODer, a person who re-stricts his BOD to the baptism of desire of the catechumen, you will never find a person like that posting thread after thread about BOD. When they post thread after thread, and even write books and articles, it is always because their flavor of BOD is the salvation of Muslim, Hindus, Buddhists, Jєωs by belief in their god (belief in a god that rewards), Implict Faith . One subterfuge is to hide behind St. Alphonsus Ligouri's teaching of implicit baptism of desire, which is not the same as the theory of  implicit faith, a theory which is not taught by any Father, Doctor, Saint, Pope. Always keep all of this in mind, for the implicit faith'er is a sophist, always speaking in double speak. What they say does not mean what you thing. THAT is why I keep asking precise questions.

    If they were honest and truthful, they would say from the get go, I believe in salvation by implicit faith,  the salvation of Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, Jєωs etc., by their belief in their god, their belief in a god that rewards. I have never met one that did admit to it from the get go, and it is like pulling teeth to finally get it out of them.
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    Re: RomanTheo- Another Implicit Faith'er Hiding his Real Belief
    « Reply #7 on: March 16, 2021, 09:38:05 AM »
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    • Quote from: Last Tradhican on March 16, 2021, 09:31:28 AM
    This is a thread dedicated to knowing what one person believes and yet they are reluctant to spell it out. How come? It is because deep down they themselves find it hard to believe. You will never find a Thomist BODer, a person who re-stricts his BOD to the baptism of desire of the catechumen, you will never find a person like that posting thread after thread about BOD. When they post thread after thread, and even write books and articles, it is always because their flavor of BOD is the salvation of Muslim, Hindus, Buddhists, Jєωs by belief in their god (belief in a god that rewards) .
    I think you post thread after thread on this because you can't deal with the reality that, based on your understanding of how dogma is supposed to work, there isn't any Catholic Church left that the gates of Hell can't prevail against.
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    Re: RomanTheo- Another Implicit Faith'er Hiding his Real Belief
    « Reply #8 on: October 06, 2021, 12:50:48 PM »
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    • Quote from: Last Tradhican on March 15, 2021, 01:08:36 PM
    cricket, cricket, cricket........

    That's a grasshopper, not a cricket :sleep:
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