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RomanTheo- Another Implicit Faith'er Hiding his Real Belief
« on: March 14, 2021, 06:51:49 PM »
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Last Tradhican asked 5 times -  What flavor of BOD are you promoting here? Define your BOD in the fewest words possible (it) . Be the first BODer to ever do it on CI or anywhere else I've been to in 25+ years.



RomanTheo finally responded
-  A supernatural act of faith, combined with an act of perfect charity and the desire to receive baptism. This disposes the soul to receive an infusion of sanctifying grace from Christ, which makes him an adopted child of God and heir of heaven.  If he dies in this state he is saved, even if he lacks the baptismal character.


Last Tradhican answers: You deny clear dogmas, to teach that they do not mean what they say, and you expect me to believe your ambiguous sophism?  This is typical of you vipers, fake Thomists. No truth comes from you.

Answer two simple questions:

Why are you killing this person before God completes what is TOTALLY His doing?

What exactly is this "desire to receive baptism", is it the explicit desire to be a baptized Catholic, the baptism of desire of the catechumen of St. Thomas? Or is it the  implicit faith of a Muslim, Hindu, Jew?

Re: RomanTheo- Another Implicit Faith'er Hiding his Real Belief
« Reply #1 on: March 15, 2021, 01:08:36 PM »
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Re: RomanTheo- Another Implicit Faith'er Hiding his Real Belief
« Reply #2 on: March 15, 2021, 01:50:30 PM »

Answer two simple questions:

Why are you killing this person before God completes what is TOTALLY His doing?

I didn't kill anyone.  

If the person in the hypothetical scenario died in the state of grace, before having received baptism, God would have already completed what was necessary for him to be saved.  Men are saved by sanctifying grace, not by the baptismal character.   No one before Fr. Feeney held that the character was necessary for salvation.  

The Sacrament of Baptism is absolutely necessary in its effect, but the effect can be received prior to reception of the Sacrament. 


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What exactly is this "desire to receive baptism", is it the explicit desire to be a baptized Catholic, the baptism of desire of the catechumen of St. Thomas? Or is it the  implicit faith of a Muslim, Hindu, Jew?

The common teaching, as found in most pre and post Conciliar catechisms, is that implicit desire for baptism suffices:


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Catechism of Pius X: 

17 Q. Can the absence of Baptism be supplied in any other way?

A. The absence of Baptism can be supplied by martyrdom, which is called Baptism of Blood, or by an act of perfect love of God, or of contrition, along with the desire, at least implicit, of Baptism, and this is called Baptism of Desire.

Countless Catholics who died after the Council of Trent saved their soul by believing what the Catechism of Pius X just taught.  Whether any Feeneyite has been saved is an open question. 


Re: RomanTheo- Another Implicit Faith'er Hiding his Real Belief
« Reply #3 on: March 15, 2021, 06:29:57 PM »


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What exactly is this "desire to receive baptism", is it the explicit desire to be a baptized Catholic, the baptism of desire of the catechumen of St. Thomas? Or is it the  implicit faith of a Muslim, Hindu, Jew?


The common teaching, as found in most pre and post Conciliar catechisms, is that implicit desire for baptism suffices:
Catechism of Pius X:
 
 

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17 Q. Can the absence of Baptism be supplied in any other way?
 
 A. The absence of Baptism can be supplied by martyrdom, which is called Baptism of Blood, or by an act of perfect love of God, or of contrition, along with the desire, at least implicit, of Baptism, and this is called Baptism of Desire.


You have not defined your implicit desire, you continue to avoid the question. What exactly is this "desire to receive baptism", is it the explicit desire to be a baptized Catholic, the baptism of desire of the catechumen of St. Thomas? Or is it the  implicit faith of a Muslim, Hindu, Jew?

Re: RomanTheo- Another Implicit Faith'er Hiding his Real Belief
« Reply #4 on: March 15, 2021, 06:35:28 PM »

I didn't kill anyone.  If the person in the hypothetical scenario died in the state of grace, before having received baptism, God would have already completed what was necessary for him to be saved.  Men are saved by sanctifying grace, not by the baptismal character.   No one before Fr. Feeney held that the character was necessary for salvation.
No Father, Saint, Doctor, Pope or Council ever taught what you just made up. No one dies before God wills it so. So you are killing someone before God can complete what he started. The baptizing is the easiest part, it just takes 3 seconds.   It is you who is creating a scenario that has never existed. You are inventing it to save people who have no explicit desire to be Catholic, or to be baptized