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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Reverend Crawford , Feeney, Dimond video
« Reply #135 on: October 19, 2019, 06:51:51 PM »
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    • And I am convinced that if a person is truly a sincere #2 that God will bring him to the true faith.
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    Offline Last Tradhican

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    Re: Reverend Crawford , Feeney, Dimond video
    « Reply #136 on: October 19, 2019, 07:15:40 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on October 19, 2019, 06:51:51 PM
    And I am convinced that if a person is truly a sincere #2 that God will bring him to the true faith.
    "For I tell you that God is able of these stones to raise up children to Abraham". (Mat 3:9)

    But the Cushingites believe that stones do not need to be made sons of Abraham, that they are saved as stones.
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    Re: Reverend Crawford , Feeney, Dimond video
    « Reply #137 on: October 19, 2019, 08:15:21 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on October 19, 2019, 06:51:51 PM
    And I am convinced that if a person is truly a sincere #2 that God will bring him to the true faith.
    I struggle to believe there were zero of them in America before Columbus.  Maybe god did a miracle but idk 
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    Offline Ladislaus

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    Re: Reverend Crawford , Feeney, Dimond video
    « Reply #138 on: October 20, 2019, 10:38:35 AM »
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    • Quote from: ByzCat3000 on October 19, 2019, 08:15:21 PM
    I struggle to believe there were zero of them in America before Columbus.  Maybe god did a miracle but idk

    If there were any, then God could certainly have worked a miracle.  As St. Thomas Aquinas says, God is capable of giving them an internal inspiration of the faith ... or to send a missionary.  If there weren't any, then there's a reason God allowed those souls to be born in that time or place.

    Did you hear of how Mary of Agreda was bilocated to America to help convert some of the Indians?
    https://www.traditioninaction.org/History/B_014_Agreda_2.html

    What exactly would have stopped God from miraculously transporting a priest or some other Christian in pre-Columbian times to North America to convert and baptize such a soul?  Answer:  absolutely nothing.

    It is said that Leif Eriksson converted Greenland to Catholicism, around the year 1000, and the population requested a bishop, and that the Norse also had settlements in North America (Canada).  Despite popular belief, Columbus did not discover America, but the Norse did.  Eric the Red, Leif's father, lived in a Norse colony in Iceland, but he was banished for killing someone.  He then set out and found Greenland.  He named it that to make it more "attractive" to potential new settlers.  His son Leif converted to Catholic Christianity.  He converted his mother, but his father Erik did not convert.  In any case, Leif then traveled to Greenland to convert the population, and they subsequently requested a bishop.  They ventured farther into Newfoundland as well, and it's probable that they took Christianity there also .. .as certain Christian artifacts have been discovered at the Norse Newfoundland sites.
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    Re: Reverend Crawford , Feeney, Dimond video
    « Reply #139 on: October 20, 2019, 11:37:32 AM »
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    • Quote from: ByzCat3000 on October 19, 2019, 08:15:21 PM
    I struggle to believe there were zero of them in America before Columbus.  Maybe god did a miracle but idk
    Scarcely anyone is saved today. It is not hard to see that God put those Indians there in his mercy, for had they been born in Europe they would have ended in the deepest pits of hell, which is reserved for Catholics.
    A multitude of souls fall into the depths of Hell. (St. Anthony Mary Claret - It has been revealed that on the day of the death of St. Bernard there also died 79,997 other people, and of this total of 80,000 who died, only St. Bernard and two other monks were saved.)
     
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    Re: Reverend Crawford , Feeney, Dimond video
    « Reply #140 on: October 20, 2019, 12:27:58 PM »
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    • Quote from: Last Tradhican on October 20, 2019, 11:37:32 AM
    Scarcely anyone is saved today. It is not hard to see that God put those Indians there in his mercy, for had they been born in Europe they would have ended in the deepest pits of hell, which is reserved for Catholics.
    A multitude of souls fall into the depths of Hell. (St. Anthony Mary Claret - It has been revealed that on the day of the death of St. Bernard there also died 79,997 other people, and of this total of 80,000 who died, only St. Bernard and two other monks were saved.)
     
    99.96% of Catholics are damned? And only twice as many went to purgatory as straight to Heaven? And it also folloes that Etreme Unction is pointless, since surely at least a few thousand of the souls that died that day would've received it(any souls who died of old age, illness, or who took hours to succuмb to their wounds) and were still damned regardless.

    I always found that revelation hard to believe.
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    Re: Reverend Crawford , Feeney, Dimond video
    « Reply #141 on: October 20, 2019, 01:29:15 PM »
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    • Quote from: forlorn on October 20, 2019, 12:27:58 PM
    99.96% of Catholics are damned? And only twice as many went to purgatory as straight to Heaven? And it also folloes that Etreme Unction is pointless, since surely at least a few thousand of the souls that died that day would've received it(any souls who died of old age, illness, or who took hours to succuмb to their wounds) and were still damned regardless.

    I always found that revelation hard to believe.
    To be honest so do I.  I’m curious if the person who posted it has any struggles with despair
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    Re: Reverend Crawford , Feeney, Dimond video
    « Reply #142 on: October 20, 2019, 02:04:18 PM »
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    • Quote from: ByzCat3000 on October 20, 2019, 01:29:15 PM
    To be honest so do I.  I’m curious if the person who posted it has any struggles with despair
    The person that posted it is irrelevant, the important one is the writer, St. Anthony Mary Claret.

    By the way, if I were tortured by being placed into a 55 gallon drum of excrement for days, as happened to some close friends I have known, I would not despair. The last person that would despair about anything is I, by God's Grace.

    It is curious that you mention despair, for I believe it is at the heart of the disbelief in EENS as it is written. The believers in salvation by belief in a God that rewards get scared and despair at the thought of EENS as it is written.
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    Re: Reverend Crawford , Feeney, Dimond video
    « Reply #143 on: October 20, 2019, 02:10:37 PM »
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    • Quote from: forlorn on October 20, 2019, 12:27:58 PM
    99.96% of Catholics are damned? And only twice as many went to purgatory as straight to Heaven? And it also folloes that Etreme Unction is pointless, since surely at least a few thousand of the souls that died that day would've received it(any souls who died of old age, illness, or who took hours to succuмb to their wounds) and were still damned regardless.

    I always found that revelation hard to believe.
    That was one day. It may have been better the next day, but I doubt today it would be better than 95% were lost.  To me it only shows that salvation is no piece of cake.
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    Re: Reverend Crawford , Feeney, Dimond video
    « Reply #144 on: October 20, 2019, 02:22:10 PM »
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    • Quote from: Last Tradhican on October 20, 2019, 02:10:37 PM
    That was one day. It may have been better the next day, but I doubt today it would be better than 95% were lost.  To me it only shows that salvation is no piece of cake.
    That I definitely agree with 
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    Re: Reverend Crawford , Feeney, Dimond video
    « Reply #145 on: October 20, 2019, 02:23:17 PM »
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    • Quote from: Last Tradhican on October 20, 2019, 02:04:18 PM
    The person that posted it is irrelevant, the important one is the writer, St. Anthony Mary Claret.

    By the way, if I were tortured by being placed into a 55 gallon drum of excrement for days, as happened to some close friends I have known, I would not despair. The last person that would despair about anything is I, by God's Grace.

    It is curious that you mention despair, for I believe it is at the heart of the disbelief in EENS as it is written. The believers in salvation by belief in a God that rewards get scared and despair at the thought of EENS as it is written.
    It seems like a bit of a category error for me.  I’m Catholic.  If feeneyism is true, that doesn’t really negatively impact my likelihood of salvation.
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    Re: Reverend Crawford , Feeney, Dimond video
    « Reply #146 on: October 20, 2019, 09:51:05 PM »
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    • Quote from: ByzCat3000 on October 20, 2019, 02:23:17 PM
    If feeneyism is true, that doesn’t really negatively impact my likelihood of salvation.
    Be advised that the using the expression of "Feeneyism" for the belief in EENS as it is written, only serves to reveal an ignorance of history on the part of the user.
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    Re: Reverend Crawford , Feeney, Dimond video
    « Reply #147 on: October 21, 2019, 06:06:51 AM »
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    • Quote from: Last Tradhican on October 20, 2019, 09:51:05 PM
    Be advised that the using the expression of "Feeneyism" for the belief in EENS as it is written, only serves to reveal an ignorance of history on the part of the user.
    LT,
    Do you think the main assault on EENS came about within the last 150 years?
    My impression is that it gained critical mass around the time of Pope Leo XIII.
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    Re: Reverend Crawford , Feeney, Dimond video
    « Reply #148 on: October 21, 2019, 03:09:58 PM »
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    • Quote from: Stubborn on October 17, 2019, 05:45:27 AM
    Fr Hesse briefly discusses the SV position and rules it out. Fr Hesse says that SVs like to rely on the Apostolic Bull of Pope Paul IV cuм Ex Apostolatus Officio which says that a heretic cannot become Pope. He explains that the election of the Supreme Pontiff is a canonical election, which is an act of administration and is therefore not infallible. Papal election is an act of administration, not a sacrament. It is not a theological procedure, therefore there cannot be an infallible pronouncement on it. He states that the Bull is infallible as far as doctrinal statements are concerned, but it cannot be infallible as far as administrative rules are concerned. These rules have been changed by subsequent Popes a couple of dozen times in Church History.

    He talks about this from 10:54 till about 14:06 here
    Election is canonical election
    I agree with Fr Hessy that rules of administration can be changed
    He say it’s an infallible doc  but not as admin , so if the rules change in that cardinals don’t elect the pope etc..I get that but I don’t see how the election of a heretic pertains to anything administrative, and if what he states is correct, that subsequent popes have changed  
    He says the sedes make a neurotic statement because it’s a dead end ?” Who’s going to elect the next pope “
    This I disagree with, that sedes are somehow neurotic, I think we can all agree the election of the next true pope can only be done with God’s intervention , sede or not….no? Tell me how the situation is better if everyone held the  the SSPX view that Jewgorglio is a true  pope , how will this affect the mess we are in for the better?
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    Re: Reverend Crawford , Feeney, Dimond video
    « Reply #149 on: October 21, 2019, 03:40:52 PM »
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    • Quote from: sedevacantist3 on October 21, 2019, 03:09:58 PM
    Election is canonical election
    I agree with Fr Hessy that rules of administration can be changed
    He say it’s an infallible doc  but not as admin , so if the rules change in that cardinals don’t elect the pope etc..I get that but I don’t see how the election of a heretic pertains to anything administrative, and if what he states is correct, that subsequent popes have changed  
    He says the sedes make a neurotic statement because it’s a dead end ?” Who’s going to elect the next pope “
    This I disagree with, that sedes are somehow neurotic, I think we can all agree the election of the next true pope can only be done with God’s intervention , sede or not….no? Tell me how the situation is better if everyone held the  the SSPX view that Jewgorglio is a true  pope , how will this affect the mess we are in for the better?
    If you listened to the whole video it may have helped better explain why he came to his conclusions, but anyway, what it all amounts to is the man elected, good or bad, is the pope. If he is a heretic there is nothing anyone can do about it - the next pope or a future pope is the only one who can do anything about it - after the heretic is long gone. The pope makes the conclave rules, which is to say that per those rules, and whatever they may be, that is the only way a pope will ever be elected.

    The SSPX et al belief that the pope is the pope has no bearing on our religious obligations - if you would have heard the very beginning of the video, you would have heard the Highest Principle of the Church: "First we are under obedience to God, only then under obedience to man."
     
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