Author Topic: Reminder: Catholics are forbidden to debate with heretics (Read 2672 times)

JPaul · « **Reply #5 on:** August 28, 2014, 07:45:09 PM »

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You constantly debate the so-called heretics. Not only are you sanctimonious and self-righteous, but you're a hypocrite as well.

I'm not debating you or the others, just correcting you. Recant, and embrace the full Catholic Faith.

Define the difference between correcting with arguments and debating ... besides the fact that the former makes you feel superior while you invariably lose the latter.

Yes, the Catholic position is superior. The truth can never be put on an equal footing to error. You have the option of joining us by recanting, and embracing the Faith whole and entire.

You have just stated that the Catholic position is superior. Why then would a sane man want to join with you.

Ambrose · « **Reply #6 on:** August 28, 2014, 08:04:32 PM »

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You constantly debate the so-called heretics. Not only are you sanctimonious and self-righteous, but you're a hypocrite as well.

I'm not debating you or the others, just correcting you. Recant, and embrace the full Catholic Faith.

Define the difference between correcting with arguments and debating ... besides the fact that the former makes you feel superior while you invariably lose the latter.

Yes, the Catholic position is superior. The truth can never be put on an equal footing to error. You have the option of joining us by recanting, and embracing the Faith whole and entire.

You have just stated that the Catholic position is superior. Why then would a sane man want to join with you.

Because they want to save their soul. There is no salvation outside the Catholic Church.

Cantarella · « **Reply #7 on:** August 28, 2014, 09:05:57 PM »

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Our duty as Catholics is only to admonish and correct the deniers of ~~Baptism of Desire and Baptism of Blood~~, EENS not to engage them in debate.

Those that have fallen into this heresy need our admonition, not debate. It is a great work of charity to show them their heresy and urge them to recant, but we must remember that they are publicly professing heresy, and we have a duty to report them to the Church authorities once we are able to protect the innocent of Christ's flock from their heresies.

Agreed with all the words above but instead of Baptism of Desire, the deniers of the Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus salutary dogma are the ones in need of prompt admonition and charitable correction.

Ambrose · « **Reply #8 on:** August 28, 2014, 11:17:46 PM »

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Our duty as Catholics is only to admonish and correct the deniers of ~~Baptism of Desire and Baptism of Blood~~, EENS not to engage them in debate.

Those that have fallen into this heresy need our admonition, not debate. It is a great work of charity to show them their heresy and urge them to recant, but we must remember that they are publicly professing heresy, and we have a duty to report them to the Church authorities once we are able to protect the innocent of Christ's flock from their heresies.

Agreed with all the words above but instead of Baptism of Desire, the deniers of the Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus salutary dogma are the ones in need of prompt admonition and charitable correction.

Baptism of Desire and EENS are both the teaching of the Church, and have been taught side by side with force for the last 1,000 years.

Both must be believed. The denial of either of them is heresy.

Cantarella · « **Reply #9 on:** August 28, 2014, 11:25:45 PM »

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Our duty as Catholics is only to admonish and correct the deniers of ~~Baptism of Desire and Baptism of Blood~~, EENS not to engage them in debate.

Those that have fallen into this heresy need our admonition, not debate. It is a great work of charity to show them their heresy and urge them to recant, but we must remember that they are publicly professing heresy, and we have a duty to report them to the Church authorities once we are able to protect the innocent of Christ's flock from their heresies.

Agreed with all the words above but instead of Baptism of Desire, the deniers of the Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus salutary dogma are the ones in need of prompt admonition and charitable correction.

Baptism of Desire and EENS are both the teaching of the Church, and have been taught side by side with force for the last 1,000 years.

Both must be believed. The denial of either of them is heresy.

However, it is not Baptism of Desire what is professed and promoted here but the modernist heresy of "salvation by implicit desire" or by "justification alone" of non -Catholics. They are not the same doctrine. The first one applies only to pious and sincere catechumens who die in the process of getting water baptized, the second one to any godless pagan not prone to mass murder.