Can one benefit from the reception of the Eucharist from a Feeneyite Priest.

Have you ever heard of ex opere operato?

Absolutely.  

But if one is outside the Church due to heresy.  I don't want a debate on feeneyism here.  Let me make the question can one efficaciously receive the Eucharist from a valid heretic Priest.

1.  If the Priest is acting in good faith, within the Church by desire, really thinks he holds the Truth.

2.  What if the recipient of the Eucharist does not realize he is a heretic or inculpably agrees with the heresy?

3.  What if the recipient DOES realize he is a heretic?

Does the confecting and or the reception of the valid Sacrament become a sacrilege?

Why on earth not?!?

Why on earth not would it be a sacrilege?

Would a person who does not realize the Priest is a heretic be guilty of a sacrilege?  If not would he benefit from the Sacrament?

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Why on earth not?!?

Why on earth not would it be a sacrilege?

Would a person who does not realize the Priest is a heretic be guilty of a sacrilege?  If not would he benefit from the Sacrament?

"Feeneyites" are not heretics.  Father Feeney received a public Mass of Christian Burial from his bishop, and many of his followers enjoy a regularized, canonical status within the Catholic Church.  Only the Church herself can pronounce someone to be a heretic, and she has never done that with respect to any "Feeneyite."

My interest is in regards to heretics in general.  If I were asking you I would simply ask you in regards to heretics rather than mentioning Feeneyites.  

Have you anything to say in regards to those who objectively speaking are heretics or hold heretical beliefs, whatever those beliefs might be.  I don't want this to be a Feeneyite debate.  

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Why on earth not?!?

Why on earth not would it be a sacrilege?

Would a person who does not realize the Priest is a heretic be guilty of a sacrilege?  If not would he benefit from the Sacrament?

"Feeneyites" are not heretics.  Father Feeney received a public Mass of Christian Burial from his bishop, and many of his followers enjoy a regularized, canonical status within the Catholic Church.  Only the Church herself can pronounce someone to be a heretic, and she has never done that with respect to any "Feeneyite."

My interest is in regards to heretics in general.  If I were asking you I would simply ask you in regards to heretics rather than mentioning Feeneyites.  

Have you anything to say in regards to those who objectively speaking are heretics or hold heretical beliefs, whatever those beliefs might be.  I don't want this to be a Feeneyite debate.  

Can anyone tell me why I would get a thumbs down?  I'm trying to help someone out regarding the Sacraments, they only have access to a valid Priest who they rightly believe holds a belief which is contrary to Catholic teaching.  Twice in this thread I said it need not be about Feeneyism.  I'm asking about objective heresy.  

Why would a question like that be not liked?

Some coward crying because I'm not a feeneyite?  Waa! Waa! Waa!  Go back to mommy coward.  Waa!  These arbitrary thumb downers are a strange lot.  Yes.  I'm talking to you.  Waa!

I believe Feeney+ was absolutely correct in his interpretation of EENS. I don't claim that his opinion was or is the ONLY correct one, I just don't believe he was wrong over against a more nuanced METHOD of presenting the doctrine. Fr. Feeney lived during a time when strident, confrontational 'preaching' was in vogue among the Prot heretics like Billy Graham and others. Fr. Feeney probably realized the effectiveness of unambiguous and bold statement-making during a time when sensationalism was becoming more common among influential public figures.

Fr. Feeney was, however, regrettably disobedient to his lawful superiors and to the Holy Father. There is no way that a faithful Catholic can accept Fr. Feeney's example of disregard for the Holy Office as reasonable or proper.

It's a shame that the irregularities and blatant defiance that were typical of Fr. Feeney's efforts will likely continue to cause people to ignore the true importance of EENS, all because the media-mad spin doctors have thrown around the word "excommunicated" without knowing or presenting all the facts.

Immaculate Heart of Mary, triumph soon!

Most Sacred Heart of Jesus, have mercy on us.

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I think I'm going to have to research the entire Father Feeney story myself.  He seems to be just another victim of the lavendar mafia led by a certain cardinal with the last name of Montini who was probably signing Pope Pius XII's name to docuмents without Pope Pius XII's knowledge - behind his back like the sneak-thief Montini spent his whole wretched life.

I do notice that NO ONE was willing to debate Fr. Feeney on the issue while Fr. Feeney was alive.  

However, I will do my research.  

I think the Holy Office and Pope Pius XII was wiling to "debate" him.  They offered him a free trip to Rome but he turned it down in defiance.  If you were a good Priest and were offered a chance to air it out with them in person would you turn it down?

I apologize in advance to the crybabies who will thumb this down because they evaluate things on emotion apart from logic and get their thrills under the cover of darkness with their little vindictive thumb-downing.  

Since I know virtually nothing about Fr. Feeney I don't know if Lover of Truth is giving me a slap-down or not...   :sad:

And who knows?  Maybe my research will show Lover of Truth to be ENTIRELY correct.

I will probably start with that book put out by the SSPV "The Strange Case of Fr. Feeney."

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I think I'm going to have to research the entire Father Feeney story myself.  He seems to be just another victim of the lavendar mafia led by a certain cardinal with the last name of Montini who was probably signing Pope Pius XII's name to docuмents without Pope Pius XII's knowledge - behind his back like the sneak-thief Montini spent his whole wretched life.

I do notice that NO ONE was willing to debate Fr. Feeney on the issue while Fr. Feeney was alive.  

However, I will do my research.  

I think the Holy Office and Pope Pius XII was wiling to "debate" him.  They offered him a free trip to Rome but he turned it down in defiance.  If you were a good Priest and were offered a chance to air it out with them in person would you turn it down?

I apologize in advance to the crybabies who will thumb this down because they evaluate things on emotion apart from logic and get their thrills under the cover of darkness with their little vindictive thumb-downing.  

Since I know virtually nothing about Fr. Feeney I don't know if Lover of Truth is giving me a slap-down or not...   :sad:

And who knows?  Maybe my research will show Lover of Truth to be ENTIRELY correct.

I will probably start with that book put out by the SSPV "The Strange Case of Fr. Feeney."

I am entirely correct.  No slap down.  I have a lot of respect for you and your posts.

Thank you.  I've always been a fan of your posts.

Where should I start in my research on Fr. Feeney?  Do you recommend the SSPV book?