Author Topic: Questions for Raoul76 (Read 9628 times)

Telesphorus · « **Reply #25 on:** December 17, 2011, 06:31:04 PM »

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I agree sort of agree with you Tele but what is the proper term, rhythm?

What did Pope Pius XII call it?

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The matrimonial contract, which confers on the married couple the right to satisfy the inclination of nature, constitutes them in a state of life, namely, the matrimonial state. Now, on married couples, who make use of the specific act of their state, nature and the Creator impose the function of providing for the preservation of mankind. This is the characteristic service which gives rise to the peculiar value of their state, the <bonum prolis>. The individual and society, the people and the State, the Church itself, depend for their existence, in the order established by God, on fruitful marriages. Therefore, to embrace the matrimonial state, to use continually the faculty proper to such a state and lawful only therein, and, at the same time, to avoid its primary duty without a grave reason, would be a sin against the very nature of married life.

Serious motives, such as those which not rarely arise from medical, eugenic, economic and social so-called "indications," may exempt husband and wife from the obligatory, positive debt for a long period or even for the entire period of matrimonial life. From this it follows that the observance of the natural sterile periods may be lawful, from the moral viewpoint: and it is lawful in the conditions mentioned. If, however, according to a reasonable and equitable judgment, there are no such grave reasons either personal or deriving from exterior circuмstances, the will to avoid the fecundity of their union, while continuing to satisfy to tile full their sensuality, can only be the result of a false appreciation of life and of motives foreign to sound ethical principles.

curiouscatholic23 · « **Reply #26 on:** December 17, 2011, 06:33:17 PM »

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I would highly recommend reading MHFM book "Outside The Church There is Absolutely No Salvation." It addresses all the points you brought up.

The problem, curiouscatholic, is that you just can't use the Dimonds as the authority on everything. They aren't even priests, for starters. They're laymen. What a priest says regarding theology is more important than what a laymen says on theology, unless that priest happens to be a flaming liberal.

Well said SS. If I may add, not only are they (MHFM) laymen, they're laymen posing as monks! And they're high school dropouts!

Someone (nadie I think) said somewhere that the Diamonds have more 'testicular fortitude' than the posters here who argue against them. Actually, if they're gonna rip hundreds of people off, they'd better damn well have testicular fortitude, condemning virtually everyone they encounter as a heretic- they do this because they're not priests, people will not go to them for sacraments, so they scare people into believing all virtually all priests are heretics, and if they support these priests, they're also heretics! Nice way to make money- only they're placing their souls and the souls of thousands of others in danger! You can keep your testicular fortitude for all I care. I'd rather not be a feeneyite heretic or a follower of a high school drop out.

You keep saying they are high school dropouts. Who cares? Its a public masonic school system anyway. And even if they were dropouts, they are the most articulate and intelligent high school dropouts I have ever heard.

ServusSpiritusSancti · « **Reply #27 on:** December 17, 2011, 08:51:21 PM »

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You keep saying they are high school dropouts. Who cares? Its a public masonic school system anyway. And even if they were dropouts, they are the most articulate and intelligent high school dropouts I have ever heard.

Them having dropped out of high school doesn't bother me that much, even though I wouldn't advise someone to ditch education alltogether (I'd tell them to homeschool instead). But what bothers me cc, is that they label themselves as monks when they're really laymen and go around making declarations and rules as if they have the authority to do so. They are not ordained and we shoudn't trust a layperson over a priest, unless like I said that priest happens to be flaming liberal.

You're missing the point, cc. There's nothing wrong with using some of their materal or to agree with some of the things they say. But to look to them as the authority on everything is dangerous, regardless of how intelligent they are.

curiouscatholic23 · « **Reply #28 on:** December 17, 2011, 09:10:34 PM »

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You keep saying they are high school dropouts. Who cares? Its a public masonic school system anyway. And even if they were dropouts, they are the most articulate and intelligent high school dropouts I have ever heard.

Them having dropped out of high school doesn't bother me that much, even though I wouldn't advise someone to ditch education alltogether (I'd tell them to homeschool instead). But what bothers me cc, is that they label themselves as monks when they're really laymen and go around making declarations and rules as if they have the authority to do so. They are not ordained and we shoudn't trust a layperson over a priest, unless like I said that priest happens to be flaming liberal.

You're missing the point, cc. There's nothing wrong with using some of their materal or to agree with some of the things they say. But to look to them as the authority on everything is dangerous, regardless of how intelligent they are.

Well now that I am a sede and I believe in John 3:5 as it is written and I believe in Cast Connubi who else am I to turn to for answers?

ServusSpiritusSancti · « **Reply #29 on:** December 17, 2011, 09:15:36 PM »

You don't have to get ALL of your answers on Catholicism from sedes.