Author Topic: Questions for Raoul76 (Read 9600 times)

s2srea · « **Reply #35 on:** December 17, 2011, 11:02:06 PM »

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BOD lead to Invincible Ignorance which lead to Religious Liberty.
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Horsepoop. Who here who believes in BOD believes in Religious Liberty. That's what you call a slippery slope.

If someone says a great thumb worshiper could be saved through invincible ignorance, you are basically saying the great thumb religion is a means of salvation. If it is a means of salvation, why should someone not be allowed to worship it? Why should the government not infringe on his RIGHT to worship the great thumb?

That was stupid. You really show your ignorance for the matter. Go check out some of the multitude of threads on this forum for why.

curiouscatholic23 · « **Reply #36 on:** December 17, 2011, 11:03:59 PM »

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Quote from: curiouscatholic23
BOD lead to Invincible Ignorance which lead to Religious Liberty.
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Horsepoop. Who here who believes in BOD believes in Religious Liberty. That's what you call a slippery slope.

If someone says a great thumb worshiper could be saved through invincible ignorance, you are basically saying the great thumb religion is a means of salvation. If it is a means of salvation, why should someone not be allowed to worship it? Why should the government not infringe on his RIGHT to worship the great thumb?

That was stupid. You really show your ignorance for the matter. Go check out some of the multitude of threads on this forum for why.

Bad will.

Raoul76 · « **Reply #37 on:** December 18, 2011, 02:03:35 AM »

Just want to correct two possible misperceptions that could come about from my last post:

( 1 ) I don't know if any of the priests at CMRI are neo-cons. I have been told that Bp. Pivarunas is a staunch Republican. But the CMRI priests do have this habit of telling stirring stories about the Founding Fathers and things like this, while my approach would be more like "Who cares, they're Masons." The laity does seem to have a severe neo-con influence.

( 2 ) I didn't mean to say that cc23 or anyone else shouldn't read books by the saints, just that books about the saints seem to me to be more helpful for someone in his position. Certainly reading about St. Vincent de Paul or St. Theresa or St. Gemma was more beneficial for me than reading tomes about marriage by St. Augustine and fancying myself a super-brain like him.

Raoul76 · « **Reply #38 on:** December 18, 2011, 02:13:31 AM »

CC23 said:

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If someone says a great thumb worshiper could be saved through invincible ignorance, you are basically saying the great thumb religion is a means of salvation. If it is a means of salvation, why should someone not be allowed to worship it? Why should the government not infringe on his RIGHT to worship the great thumb?

Hey, I think it's wrong to say that we can be saved by baptism alone. Someone who dies right after being baptized, and is saved, doesn't even do any good works! So the idea that baptism alone saves people is contrary to good works, it's like saying you can be saved while doing nothing for God. This is a sin against charity. Therefore I believe babies, because they can't do good works, shouldn't be baptized until they are rational adults and can make their own decision if they want to be in God's service. If they die before that happens, that is just too bad, God foresaw that they were going to turn into axe murderers in the future so He took them out before that could happen, so their spot in hell wouldn't be as bad.

A little reductio ad absurdum to show the Protestant lunacy you are on the verge of, or already are, espousing.

It's very simple CC23, God knows the heart, and He knows who would have accepted the Catholic religion if they had known about it, okay? This may be ten billion people or it may be nobody. Do you have to be God, do you have to know exactly who is going to be saved, or can you let Him handle it? This is not saying that the Shaka Zulu religion is the means of salvation. It is saying the Catholic Church is the means of salvation for someone who would have accepted it if he had known about it.

Why would God have allowed someone to be in ignorance of the Catholic Church? Well, why would He allow someone like St. John Vianney to rack up so many good works, and so many merits for himself, while other people maybe do one or two? Maybe someone does nothing good all his life, then saves someone from drowning, losing his own life in the process. If he died in the faith, he gets to go to the same heaven as St. Francis de Sales who converted thousands upon thousands. He may not be as high up in heaven, he may not be a supreme courtier of Mary -- which, by the way, is my idea of a high place in heaven -- but he will still be there. God apportions His grace how He will.

Raoul76 · « **Reply #39 on:** December 18, 2011, 02:21:15 AM »

I think a Feeneyite just put me on ignore. They are aggressive lately.