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Question to all forum members: Do you need to believe in Jesus to be saved?
« Reply #15 on: December 31, 2010, 06:21:16 PM »
Not to belabor the point, but the following quote exemplifies the kind of mentality I was speaking out against:

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Hmmm... Well, I'm not as eager to send people to Hell as some around here, but fortunately, George hαɾɾιson's ultimate fate is not up to you or me -- it's between him and God. Personally, I can't bring myself to believe in (or worship) a God who would condemn a fundamentally decent person to everlasting torture just because that person's faith/worship took the "wrong" form. I also don't believe that Krishna and Vishnu (or Allah and Yahweh, for that matter) are devils, or even different Gods. They are just different names for the same God that we worship. And if George hαɾɾιson is in Hell, I'll probably be joining him, because he was a better and holier person than I am. Perhaps I will learn to be less tolerant by and by -- but I hope not.


This is from a FE thread where all but a few participants were praising the Beatles, Pink Floyd, and the Rolling Stones. Some said that it doesn't matter if those bands worshipped Satan or not, because they made good music.

I won't provide a link so as not to scandalize the faithful.

No one there commented on the above post, either. Neither would 99% of the Conciliar Church goers or probably at least 50% of so-called "Trads."
 

Question to all forum members: Do you need to believe in Jesus to be saved?
« Reply #16 on: December 31, 2010, 06:47:26 PM »
No. The Old Testament Saints did not believe in Jesus. They didn't have the opportunity to. And they were saved.


Question to all forum members: Do you need to believe in Jesus to be saved?
« Reply #17 on: December 31, 2010, 07:50:57 PM »
I think the OP means the peoples of the world now under the New Covenant.  

It is my understanding after the fall, those people need only believe that a Savior would come one day to redeem them, to be saved.

Then later after Moses, it was required to believe the above and the 10 Commandments, in order to be saved.

After Jesus the Messiah came it was necessary to believe all of the above, plus that Jesus was the promised Messiah.  

Next to believe in the Church that Jesus founded, and so on and so on.  

Of course you have the between the line "stuff" to obey your conscience and Jєωιѕн laws, however even in the Bible it says somewhere, that no sin has been committed since the law was not revealed to them.  

Today we are more accountable as Catholics and much more is expected of us who are graced with the Traditional Catholic Faith.  


Question to all forum members: Do you need to believe in Jesus to be saved?
« Reply #18 on: December 31, 2010, 07:52:08 PM »
“The Holy Roman Church firmly believes, professes and preaches that all those who are outside the Catholic Church, not only pagans but also Jews or heretics and schismatics, cannot share in eternal life and will go into the everlasting fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels, unless they are joined to the Church before the end of their lives; that the unity of this ecclesiastical body is of such importance that only for those who abide in it do the Church’s sacraments contribute to salvation and do fasts, almsgiving and other works of piety and practices of the Christian militia produce eternal rewards; and that nobody can be saved, no matter how much he has given away in alms and even if he has shed blood in the name of Christ, unless he has persevered in the bosom and unity of the Catholic Church” (“Cantate Domino,” 1441, ex cathedra).

See my signature. I think that answers the question.

Question to all forum members: Do you need to believe in Jesus to be saved?
« Reply #19 on: December 31, 2010, 09:47:49 PM »
Gladius,

True. But my point was that people who never had the opportunity to believe in Jesus can still be saved. Many people who lived on earth after the Resurrection never had the opportunity to know He existed much less believe in Him just like the OT Saints.