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Re: Question for the so-called 'Lover of Truth'
« Reply #5 on: August 16, 2017, 11:02:21 AM »

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Since you believe that Catholics are supposed to form their positions not from primary magisterial or dogmatic texts


Right off the bat you state the objection incorrectly with a false accusation.  Avoid this and I might read the question.

Re: Question for the so-called 'Lover of Truth'
« Reply #6 on: August 16, 2017, 11:44:00 AM »
In his now almost 8000 postings, he has never answered ANYTHING directly and after playing around for weeks with strangers who do not know him, the stranger just gives up.

Once one knows him, they know (to be charitable) that he is just a lonely person looking for attention. It is best just to ignore him, because by responding to him you give him a sense of importance. 

I think he is a nut case.


Re: Question for the so-called 'Lover of Truth'
« Reply #7 on: August 16, 2017, 11:45:45 AM »
St. Cyril of Jerusalem, Doctor of the Church (4th Century): First Catechetical Lecture Of Our Holy Father Cyril, Archbishop of Jerusalem, To Those Who Are to Be Enlightened, Delivered Extempore at Jerusalem, As an Introductory Lecture To Those Who Had Come Forward for Baptism, Lecture III on Baptism: "If any man receive not Baptism, he hath not salvation; except only Martyrs, who even without the water receive the kingdom. For when the Saviour, in redeeming the world by His Cross, was pierced in the side, He shed forth blood and water; that men, living in times of peace, might be baptized in water, and, in times of persecution, in their own blood. For martyrdom also the Saviour is wont to call a baptism, saying, Can ye drink rite cup which I drink, and be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with?

Lecture XIII: "For since in the Gospels the power of salutary Baptism is twofold, one which is granted by means of water to the illuminated, and a second to holy martyrs, in persecutions, through their own blood, there came out of that saving Side blood and water, to confirm the grace of the confession made for Christ, whether in baptism, or on occasions of martyrdom."

Re: Question for the so-called 'Lover of Truth'
« Reply #8 on: August 21, 2017, 12:21:40 PM »
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Since you believe that Catholics are supposed to form their positions not from primary magisterial or dogmatic texts
I do not believe this.  I would not dream of making such a statement.  Where have I claimed that we not supposed to form our positions primary magisterial or dogmatic texts?  The accusation is intellectually dishonest at best.  If someone can ask a legitimate question without the rancor I may be inclined to respond.

Re: Question for the so-called 'Lover of Truth'
« Reply #9 on: August 21, 2017, 04:19:46 PM »
Since you believe that Catholics are supposed to form their positions not from primary magisterial or dogmatic texts, but from what theologians state,

I do not believe this.  I would not dream of making such a statement.  Where have I claimed that we not supposed to form our positions primary magisterial or dogmatic texts?  The accusation is intellectually dishonest at best.  If someone can ask a legitimate question without the rancor I may be inclined to respond.
Of course you do, as demonstrated when you constantly post statements of theologians as if they constitute Catholic teaching or a rule of faith.  But even if you claim that you don't believe the above, stop dodging and just answer this question:

Please tell us: what is your basis or authority for rejecting the teaching of Fenton and other 'approved theologians' on the alleged 'consistency' of Vatican II with past teaching?  And while you're at it, tell us why you cite Fenton as if he's some kind of authority on issues of salvation and Church membership, when his 'understanding' of ecclesiology led him to conclude that Vatican II's heretical teaching on ecclesiology is Catholic?