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Question for the so-called 'Lover of Truth'
« on: August 14, 2017, 01:09:32 PM »
Question for 'LOT':

Since you believe that Catholics are supposed to form their positions not from primary magisterial or dogmatic texts, but from what theologians state, hold or teach about such texts, please specifically identify the basis or authority on which you reject Vatican II, considering that the 'approved theologians', including Monsignor Joseph Clifford Fenton, accepted it and considered it to be orthodox.  Fenton not only accepted Vatican II's heretical teaching on the Church, but he considered it to be an improvement.

Monsignor Joseph Clifford Fenton, on Vatican II, Nov. 23, 1968: “I have just about made up my mind to start a new book. I shall write on the notion of the Church. Nothing like this has appeared since the Council. Within the book I hope to have quite a bit to say about the Council. I must be very careful. If a sincere Catholic writes a book it’s either ignored or brutally attacked. I must make no mistakes. My main thesis will have to be that the Catholic theology on the Church has been improved but in no way changed by the Council. I must start with the basic notion of the Church, which is that of a people ‘transferred’ from the kingdom of darkness into the realm of light. The Council left out the background of the Church. It minimized or glossed over the fact that the Church faces opposition, not just from hostile individuals, but from the ‘world.’” 

Please tell us: what is your basis or authority for rejecting the teaching of Fenton and other 'approved theologians' on the consistency of Vatican II with past teaching?  

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Re: Question for the so-called 'Lover of Truth'
« Reply #1 on: August 14, 2017, 01:19:56 PM »
Yes, I've called LoT out on this before.  Theologians are not even part of the Ecclesia Docens.  In the case of Vatican II, however, the entire body of bishops throughout the world taught the Church.


Re: Question for the so-called 'Lover of Truth'
« Reply #2 on: August 14, 2017, 01:53:06 PM »
1. Great question
2. Don't hold your breath because….
 1. He's a rotten willed POS liar.
Question for 'LOT':

Since you believe that Catholics are supposed to form their positions not from primary magisterial or dogmatic texts, but from what theologians state, hold or teach about such texts, please specifically identify the basis or authority on which you reject Vatican II, considering that the 'approved theologians', including Monsignor Joseph Clifford Fenton, accepted it and considered it to be orthodox.  Fenton not only accepted Vatican II's heretical teaching on the Church, but he considered it to be an improvement.

Monsignor Joseph Clifford Fenton, on Vatican II, Nov. 23, 1968: “I have just about made up my mind to start a new book. I shall write on the notion of the Church. Nothing like this has appeared since the Council. Within the book I hope to have quite a bit to say about the Council. I must be very careful. If a sincere Catholic writes a book it’s either ignored or brutally attacked. I must make no mistakes. My main thesis will have to be that the Catholic theology on the Church has been improved but in no way changed by the Council. I must start with the basic notion of the Church, which is that of a people ‘transferred’ from the kingdom of darkness into the realm of light. The Council left out the background of the Church. It minimized or glossed over the fact that the Church faces opposition, not just from hostile individuals, but from the ‘world.’”

Please tell us: what is your basis or authority for rejecting the teaching of Fenton and other 'approved theologians' on the consistency of Vatican II with past teaching? 

Re: Question for the so-called 'Lover of Truth'
« Reply #3 on: August 14, 2017, 02:20:39 PM »
Any man who would propose that Vatican II "IMPROVED" the Church's theological understanding, is certainly an unreliable source for other theological matters as only a Modernist could come to such a conclusion.

Re: Question for the so-called 'Lover of Truth'
« Reply #4 on: August 15, 2017, 04:08:40 AM »
Did I miss it? Where'd he go?  Maybe he just hasn't time to post anything…