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Author Topic: Question for the so-called 'Lover of Truth'  (Read 7516 times)

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Re: Question for the so-called 'Lover of Truth'
« Reply #60 on: September 01, 2017, 05:10:27 PM »
For one, I'll take the Feeneyite approach, which does not involve the Holy Ghost abandoning the magisterium at a set date in history ...
This is blasphemy.  Why is it so many people want to blame the Holy Ghost that so many prelates abandoned Him?

Mocking God in this fashion will not turn out well in the end.

Re: Question for the so-called 'Lover of Truth'
« Reply #61 on: September 01, 2017, 07:26:26 PM »
Mithryndylan,

Is it still "proximate" when it's an ordinary magisterium that is now remote some 60 or so years?

Is your methodology better because you judge this ordinary magisterium (and all since John XXIII or Paul VI) by a prior magisterium, while those who deny BOD judge the ordinary magisterium by the infallible and solemn magisterium?

For one, I'll take the Feeneyite approach, which does not involve the Holy Ghost abandoning the magisterium at a set date in history or at the beginning of a certain pontificate, but accepts that an ordinary magisterium that is not about defending what was believed "always, anywhere, by all" goes beyond the Holy Ghost's protection and can err and still be the One True Church without contradicting that protection , obviously (because acting beyond it), and doesn't have your problem of explaining how heresy can overrun the duly-elected, governing hierarchy in areas where it should be immune from error and indefectible according to your "manuals" and theologians.

I've been doing this for years and usually drop out after a brief return to it (because it's a vital question and won't go away) because there isn't a hidden observation that's going to convince the other side - someone would have found it by now.

We wait on the Lord to resolve it, and the sooner the better. 
Bottom line, when someone can just say, one way or another, "you don't, (and really can't) understand words" That's pretty much a show-stopper right there. 

alt. version. "You're doing it wrong". Wow, isn't that handy. "We only can be said to know when Myth tells us so."

HOw is that not exactly what is being proposed?


Re: Question for the so-called 'Lover of Truth'
« Reply #62 on: September 01, 2017, 07:30:01 PM »
This is blasphemy.  Why is it so many people want to blame the Holy Ghost that so many prelates abandoned Him?

Mocking God in this fashion will not turn out well in the end.
With all due, I think that you may have read him wrong. There's enough scrapping for everyone without picking battles that don't exist. 

Regardless, I think he intended the exact opposite of blasphemy at worst, even if it came out all caddywhumpus.

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Re: Question for the so-called 'Lover of Truth'
« Reply #63 on: September 02, 2017, 08:42:54 AM »
Father Fahey:

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It is possible that a member of the Jєωιѕн Nation, who rejects Our Lord, may have the supernatural life which God wishes to see in every soul

This is an illustration of the errors and heresies that were the prevalent mindset before Vatican II.  When an otherwise staunchly conservative mind such as Father Fahey even succuмbed to this, is it ANY wonder that Vatican II happened?  Vatican II's entire ecclesiology (and overall theology) derive PRECISELY from this stuff.  That's why Father Feeney was absolutely on the mark.  Even today, 99% of Traditional Catholics (including the great Traditionalist Archbishop Lefebvre) have had no problem with these heretical propositions.

Even though there is a SOLEMN DOGMATIC definition of the Church that EXPLICITLY teaches Jews cannot be saved, Catholic "theologians" had the temerity to say the EXACT OPPOSITE.  Nay, heretics like LoT even claim that this directly verbatim denial of dogma is in fact dogma.

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Re: Question for the so-called 'Lover of Truth'
« Reply #64 on: September 02, 2017, 01:31:17 PM »
Why is LoT a heretic? Because of the aforementioned clergy (plus many many more...) who are the architects of this modernism. Lot cannot be called a heretic and the others regarded as upstanding defenders of the Catholic faith. Nay, they would also have to be heretics too. Unfortunately.

I'm not sure I get your point.  LoT is a heretic because he constantly promotes Pelagianism and denies the dogma that the Sacraments are necessary for salvation.