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Offline Lover of Truth

Re: Question for the so-called 'Lover of Truth'
« Reply #15 on: August 22, 2017, 02:02:19 PM »
Quote from: DZ PLEASE on August 22, 2017, 01:58:30 PM
Thinks the problem is the solution."Is there a 'worship man' emoti?"

Maybe he'll make it his avatar to save time.
I'm sorry you are so bitter and angry and need someone to take it out on.  Feel free to continue to assault me and I will not hold it against you.  Know my responses are intended for you to see things objectively, the truth on EENS and on the the lack of charity you show.  This is done either by giving you your own medicine or in other ways.  You seem past hope but so long as you endeavor to assault I will try to help you out of your sins.  Please do not neglect to pray to God for this effect.  May God's grace be with you.
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Offline DZ PLEASE

Re: Question for the so-called 'Lover of Truth'
« Reply #16 on: August 22, 2017, 02:30:33 PM »
"Charity bat", a gift to all not-so-Crypto-Jews of "Temple beth Bergolio"

sa "The Jew screams as he strikes you"

fade in piano, cue violins…
Quote from: Lover of Truth on August 22, 2017, 02:02:19 PM
I'm sorry you are so bitter and angry and need someone to take it out on.  Feel free to continue to assault me and I will not hold it against you.  Know my responses are intended for you to see things objectively, the truth on EENS and on the the lack of charity you show.  This is done either by giving you your own medicine or in other ways.  You seem past hope but so long as you endeavor to assault I will try to help you out of your sins.  Please do not neglect to pray to God for this effect.  May God's grace be with you.
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Offline Lover of Truth

Re: Question for the so-called 'Lover of Truth'
« Reply #17 on: August 22, 2017, 02:35:04 PM »
Quote from: DZ PLEASE on August 22, 2017, 02:30:33 PM
"Charity bat", a gift to all not-so-Crypto-Jews of "Temple beth Bergolio"

sa "The Jew screams as he strikes you"

fade in piano, cue violins…
Thank you sir may I have another?
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Offline Catholictrue

Re: Question for the so-called 'Lover of Truth'
« Reply #18 on: August 22, 2017, 10:42:41 PM »
The reaction of Lover of Heresy to my question is another very clear example of his bad will.  

With regard to Mithandyland, your response, despite containing a number of paragraphs, doesn't answer the question.  It is vapid.  It veers off into other topics, and it contains numerous false statements and false arguments.  Many things could be written to expose it.  However, there is a simple way to demonstrate that neither you nor your methodology is Catholic.  Fr. Bernard Welp of the CMRI stated that he agreed with Fr. Denis Fahey that Jews who reject Jesus Christ can be in the state of grace and saved.  That's the position of the CMRI, etc.  That's what they believe.  So, Mithandyland, is their position heretical?  

You can find the docuмentation for Welp's statement here: www.mostholyfamilymonastery.com/catholicchurch/fr-bernard-welp-cmri/ Below are a few of the relevant quotes.

FR. DENIS FAHEY TAUGHT THE HERESY THAT JEWS WHO REJECT CHRIST CAN BE IN THE STATE OF GRACE
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Fr. Denis Fahey, The Kingship of Christ and the Conversion of the Jєωιѕн Nation (1953), p. 52: “The Jews, as a nation, are objectively aiming at giving society a direction which is in complete opposition to the order God wants.  It is possible that a member of the Jєωιѕн Nation, who rejects Our Lord, may have the supernatural life which God wishes to see in every soul, and so be good with the goodness God wants, but objectively, the direction he is seeking to give to the world is opposed to God and to that life, and therefore is not good.  If a Jew who rejects our Lord is good in the way God demands, it is in spite of the movement in which he and his nation are engaged.”
ARCHBISHOP MARCEL LEFEBVRE TAUGHT THAT SOULS CAN BE SAVED IN FALSE RELIGIONS
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Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre, Against the Heresies, p. 216: “Evidently, certain distinctions must be made.  Souls can be saved in a religion other than the Catholic religion (Protestantism, Islam, Buddhism, etc.), but not by this religion.   There may be souls who, not knowing Our Lord, have by the grace of the good Lord, good interior dispositions, who submit to God…  But some of these persons make an act of love which implicitly is equivalent to baptism of desire.  It is uniquely by this means that they are able to be saved.”
FR. BERNARD WELP OF THE CMRI 'CERTAINLY' AGREES WITH FAHEY

To the question, do you agree with the statements made by Fr. Denis Fahey and Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre, Fr. Bernard Welp of the CMRI responded on Nov. 16, 2016, by saying:
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“Certainly.  As catholics we do not accept the false idea of universal salvation promoted at V II.  Souls cannot be saved outside the church but those who seek God receive baptism (thus become part of the church) of desire IF: 1- ignorance is invincible 2 they have supernatural faith 3 Supernatural charity.  I have answered your question…”
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Offline Mithrandylan

Re: Question for the so-called 'Lover of Truth'
« Reply #19 on: August 22, 2017, 11:29:13 PM »
That has nothing at all to do with methodology.  
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You want to run the Dimond checklist on me so you can get triggered and hit the reset button, go back to square one and wax sensationally about it. I know the tactics, you're pretty much all the same, and very predictable; chances are, your next reply will include something about me being oily like a heretic, or slippery and elusive, incapable of answering a simple question, and so on.  You're not the first, and probably not the last, person to develop a man crush on the sensational Dimond boys and parrot their tactics on the web.  You'll (hopefully!) grow out of it.
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In either event, I'm quite content with what I wrote, and it IS a question of methodology (at its heart, anyway); if it has as many falsities as you claim, then it'll be no problem for you to overcome. 
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