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Offline Joe Cupertino

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Re: Priests who believe EENS
« Reply #120 on: January 26, 2022, 02:57:30 PM »
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  • I agree, Jurgens was a modernist, and shouldn't be used as an authority.  That makes it all the more odd that the Dimonds would quote him as one.  Jurgens actually goes on in the next two paragraphs of that footnote to call Limbo "generous but questionable", and then he applies BOD to infants, with "a desire supplied by the desire of the Church herself."  Whatever one may think of BOD, it was always denied to infants in traditional teachings, barring some rare source.

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    Re: Priests who believe EENS
    « Reply #121 on: January 26, 2022, 03:12:48 PM »
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  • Modernist or not, he knew the Church Fathers ... as did Rahner.  And their citations are even more compelling because they’d love nothing more than to find evidence for their loose soteriology in the Fathers.  But unlike the vast majority of BoDers these Modernists are at least intellectually honest.  They don’t care if they’re consistent with the Fathers because for them doctrine can change over time.

    Ranger and Jurgens are both absolutely correct about the thinking of the Church Fathers.  I think that their quotes are in fact that much more powerful precisely BECAUSE they are Modernists.


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    Re: Priests who believe EENS
    « Reply #122 on: January 26, 2022, 03:32:45 PM »
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  • Modernists like Rahner and Jurgens would have also loved nothing more than disseminating the idea that the Church had long admitted to contradictory teachings and substantial changes in doctrine, thereby paving the way for more.  I wouldn’t trust anything they said about Church teachings or history.