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« Reply #30 on: October 14, 2011, 12:35:46 AM »
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    Part of your problem is that you interpret EENS in a Feeneyite/ absolutist way.

    It is possible for non-Catholics to be saved not because of their false religion but in spite of it, though that path is perilous and rare.

    Your job is to be a good example, pray for these people, and be available to gently nudge them in the direction of truth. Sledgehammer methods of constantly calling them out to their face only builds resentment and they write you off. So sometimes the best course is that less is more.

    Salvation is up to God. You can point out objective things they are doing wrong, but the subjective elements are to be judged by God. I'd concentrate on fulfilling your own obligations and leave these people to God's Divine Judgment.



    This is a blatant heresy, one that is the root of the current apostasy.

    I'm surprised that no one is speaking up against this post.


    I completely agree with you but anymore it's a waste of time and energy arguing it when almost everyone believes that heresy to be a dogma.

    Quite amazing when you stop to think about that.


    What stevusmagnus says is absolutely true.  EENS is often misinterpreted.  Fr. Feeney was excommunicated because of his narrow and rigorist interpretation.  I personally hold onto hope many more are saved than not.  
    My conscience compels me to make this disclaimer lest God judges me partly culpable for the errors and heresy promoted on this forum... For the record I support neither Sedevacantism or the SSPX.  I do not define myself as either a traditionalist or Novus

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    « Reply #31 on: October 14, 2011, 12:44:45 AM »
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    Part of your problem is that you interpret EENS in a Feeneyite/ absolutist way.

    It is possible for non-Catholics to be saved not because of their false religion but in spite of it, though that path is perilous and rare.

    Your job is to be a good example, pray for these people, and be available to gently nudge them in the direction of truth. Sledgehammer methods of constantly calling them out to their face only builds resentment and they write you off. So sometimes the best course is that less is more.

    Salvation is up to God. You can point out objective things they are doing wrong, but the subjective elements are to be judged by God. I'd concentrate on fulfilling your own obligations and leave these people to God's Divine Judgment.



    This is a blatant heresy, one that is the root of the current apostasy.

    I'm surprised that no one is speaking up against this post.


    I completely agree with you but anymore it's a waste of time and energy arguing it when almost everyone believes that heresy to be a dogma.

    Quite amazing when you stop to think about that.


    What stevusmagnus says is absolutely true.  EENS is often misinterpreted.  Fr. Feeney was excommunicated because of his narrow and rigorist interpretation.  I personally hold onto hope many more are saved than not.  


    Prove it.


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    « Reply #32 on: October 14, 2011, 01:29:40 AM »
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    Part of your problem is that you interpret EENS in a Feeneyite/ absolutist way.

    It is possible for non-Catholics to be saved not because of their false religion but in spite of it, though that path is perilous and rare.

    Your job is to be a good example, pray for these people, and be available to gently nudge them in the direction of truth. Sledgehammer methods of constantly calling them out to their face only builds resentment and they write you off. So sometimes the best course is that less is more.

    Salvation is up to God. You can point out objective things they are doing wrong, but the subjective elements are to be judged by God. I'd concentrate on fulfilling your own obligations and leave these people to God's Divine Judgment.



    This is a blatant heresy, one that is the root of the current apostasy.

    I'm surprised that no one is speaking up against this post.


    I completely agree with you but anymore it's a waste of time and energy arguing it when almost everyone believes that heresy to be a dogma.

    Quite amazing when you stop to think about that.


    What stevusmagnus says is absolutely true.  EENS is often misinterpreted.  Fr. Feeney was excommunicated because of his narrow and rigorist interpretation.  I personally hold onto hope many more are saved than not.  


    Prove it.


    http://www.the-pope.com/feeneyite.html

     This rapidly stirred up a reaction, and in April of 1949, Dr. Maluf and three other professors, all members of the St. Benedict Center, were expelled from the Jesuit house in Boston for having taught an erroneous doctrine. They claimed that all those who were not explicitly members of the visible Church were damned, and accused all those who denied this of being heretics.
       In order to explain the reasons to the press, the Very Reverend William L. Keheler, S.J., President of Boston College, declared: "They persisted in teaching, both in and outside the classroom, doctrines which contradicted the traditional teaching of the Catholic Church, ideas that fostered fanaticism and intolerance."
       The affair became a scandal when on April 17, 1949, Father Leonard Feeney publicly undertook the defense of these professors and their doctrine.
       The following day, Richard J. Cushing, the Archbishop of Boston, without any warning to the interested parties, declared to the press that Father Leonard Feeney was suspended a divinis, in the archdiocese and the St. Benedict's Center was placed under interdict.
       Considering this double sanction to be against canon law, Father Feeney appealed to Rome. From then on, there was open war bewteen the priest and local authorities.
       On the 8th of August, 1949, Cardinal Marchetti-Selvaggiani, Secretary of the Holy Office, wrote to the Archbishop of Boston and sent him a Declaration of this Holy Office to be conveyed to Father Feeney, which made clear the sense in which one should understand the doctrine that "There is no salvation outside of the Catholic Church." Father Feeney refused to adhere to this declaration and wrote with regard to the matter that "it can be considered as having established a two-sided policy in order to propagate error."
       On October 28, Father Feeney was expelled from the Jesuit Order.
    Things remained unchanged until September 14, 1952. At this point, the Archbishop of Boston demanded that Father Feeney retract his false interpretation and make an "explicit profession of submission" to the Roman Declaration within one month or suffer the penalty of being reduced to the state of a layman.
       Father Feeney, accompanied by four witnesses, presented himself before his Archbishop. He told him that his only option was to declare the letter of Marchetti-Selvaggiani "absolutely scandalous because it was frankly heretical." Then he asked His Excellency if he was in agreement with the views expressed by the Roman Declaration. He obtained the following response: "I am not a theologian. All that I know is what I am told." Then, in the presence of these witnesses, Father Feeney accused the Archbishop of failing to perform his duty, and left.
       On September 24, 1952, a letter was sent from the St. Benedict Center to Pius XII, accusing the Archbishop of Boston of heresy.
       In October of 1952, Cardinal Pizzardo summoned Father Feeney to present himself in Rome for a hearing by the Holy Office. Father Feeney accepted on condition that they told him beforehand what the charges against him were. Not receiving any response, he did not comply.
    On February 16, 1953, the Acta Apostolicae Sedis announced the excommunication of Father Leonard Feeney. The following is an official translation of the Decree:

    "Since Father Leonard Feeney remained in Boston (St. Benedict Center) and since he has been suspended from performing his priestly duties for a long time because of his grave disobedience to the Authority of the Church, in no way moved by repeated warnings and threats of incurring excommunication ipso facto, and has still failed to submit, the most Eminent and Reverend Fathers, charged with the responsibility of safeguarding faith and morals, during a plenary session held on February 4, 1953, have declared him excommunicated with all the effects that this has in law.
    "On Thursday, February 12, 1953, Our Most Holy Father Pius XII, Pope by Divine Providence, has approved and confirmed the decree of these Most Eminent Fathers, and ordered that this be made a matter of public record.
    "Given in Rome in the general quarters of the Holy Office, February 13, 1953. Marius Crovini, notary."
    My conscience compels me to make this disclaimer lest God judges me partly culpable for the errors and heresy promoted on this forum... For the record I support neither Sedevacantism or the SSPX.  I do not define myself as either a traditionalist or Novus

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    « Reply #33 on: October 14, 2011, 10:05:03 AM »
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    Part of your problem is that you interpret EENS in a Feeneyite/ absolutist way.

    It is possible for non-Catholics to be saved not because of their false religion but in spite of it, though that path is perilous and rare.

    Your job is to be a good example, pray for these people, and be available to gently nudge them in the direction of truth. Sledgehammer methods of constantly calling them out to their face only builds resentment and they write you off. So sometimes the best course is that less is more.

    Salvation is up to God. You can point out objective things they are doing wrong, but the subjective elements are to be judged by God. I'd concentrate on fulfilling your own obligations and leave these people to God's Divine Judgment.



    This is a blatant heresy, one that is the root of the current apostasy.

    I'm surprised that no one is speaking up against this post.


    I completely agree with you but anymore it's a waste of time and energy arguing it when almost everyone believes that heresy to be a dogma.

    Quite amazing when you stop to think about that.


    What stevusmagnus says is absolutely true.  EENS is often misinterpreted.  Fr. Feeney was excommunicated because of his narrow and rigorist interpretation.  I personally hold onto hope many more are saved than not.  


    Prove it.




    I'm sure most of you know that Father Feeney was NOT excommunicated for his "narrow and rigorist interpretation."  He was excommunicated for disobendience to the Holy See.

    His excommunication was lifted before he died, and he never recanted a single word of No Salvation Outside the Church.

    http://traditionalromancatholicism.org/FatherFeeneywasaloyalcatholic.html


    This information is available on many sites.

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    « Reply #34 on: October 14, 2011, 12:12:02 PM »
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    Part of your problem is that you interpret EENS in a Feeneyite/ absolutist way.

    It is possible for non-Catholics to be saved not because of their false religion but in spite of it, though that path is perilous and rare.

    Your job is to be a good example, pray for these people, and be available to gently nudge them in the direction of truth. Sledgehammer methods of constantly calling them out to their face only builds resentment and they write you off. So sometimes the best course is that less is more.

    Salvation is up to God. You can point out objective things they are doing wrong, but the subjective elements are to be judged by God. I'd concentrate on fulfilling your own obligations and leave these people to God's Divine Judgment.



    This is a blatant heresy, one that is the root of the current apostasy.

    I'm surprised that no one is speaking up against this post.


    I completely agree with you but anymore it's a waste of time and energy arguing it when almost everyone believes that heresy to be a dogma.

    Quite amazing when you stop to think about that.


    What stevusmagnus says is absolutely true.  EENS is often misinterpreted.  Fr. Feeney was excommunicated because of his narrow and rigorist interpretation.  I personally hold onto hope many more are saved than not.  


    Prove it.




    I'm sure most of you know that Father Feeney was NOT excommunicated for his "narrow and rigorist interpretation."  He was excommunicated for disobendience to the Holy See.

    His excommunication was lifted before he died, and he never recanted a single word of No Salvation Outside the Church.

    http://traditionalromancatholicism.org/FatherFeeneywasaloyalcatholic.html


    This information is available on many sites.


    I am fully aware that Fr. Feeney later recanted and before he died his excommunication was lifted.  I even cede that his disobedience was the reason he was excommunicated.  However his "narrow and rigorist" interpretation (only those who are baptized and are in full communion with the Catholic Church can hope for eternal salvation) is erroneous and has been vehemently condemned by the Church.  I also fully admit that those who are not in full communion stand a far greater chance of being eternally lost owing to the fact that they do no enjoy the full benefits and graces of us who are so blessed to be members of Christ's one true Church.

    http://www.the-pope.com/feeneyite.html
    Declaration Letter to Archbishop Cushing from the Holy Office

    THE SUPREME SACRED CONGREGATION OF THE HOLY OFFICE
    From the Headquarters of the Holy Office
    August 8, 1949
    Protocol Number 122/49

    Your Excellency:

    This Supreme Sacred Congregation has followed very attentively the rise and the course of the grave controversy stirred up by certain associates of "St. Benedict Center" and "Boston College" in regard to the interpretation of that axiom : "Outside the Church there is no salvation."
    After having examined all the docuмents that are necessary or useful in this matter, among them information from your Chancery, as well as appeals and reports in which the associates of "St. Benedict Center" explain their opinions and complaints, and also many other docuмents pertinent to the controversy, officially collected, the same Sacred Congregation is convinced that the unfortunate controversy arose from the fact that the axiom: "outside the Church there is no salvation," was not correctly understood and weighed, and that the same controversy was rendered more bitter by serious disturbance of discipline arising from the fact that some of the associates of the institutes mentioned above refused reverence and obedience to legitimate authorities.

    Accordingly, the Most Eminent and Most Reverend Cardinals of this Supreme Congregation, in a plenary session, held on Wednesday, July 27, 1949, decreed, and the August Pontiff in an audience on the following Thursday, July 28, 1949, deigned to give his approval, that the following explanations pertinent to the doctrine, and also that invitations and exhortations relevant to discipline be given:

    We are bound by divine and Catholic faith to believe all those things which are contained in the word of God, whether it be Scripture or Tradition, and are proposed by the Church to be believed as divinely revealed, not only through solemn judgement but also through the ordinary and universal teaching office (Denziger, n. 1792).

    Now, among those things which the Church has always preached and will never cease to preach is contained also that infallible statement by which we are taught that there is no salvation outside the Church.

    However, this dogma must be understood in that sense in which the Church herself understands it. For, it was not to private judgments that Our Saviour gave for explanation those things that are contained in the deposit of faith, but to the teaching authority of the Church.

    Now, in the first place, the Church teaches that in this matter there is question of a most strict command of Jesus Christ. For He explicitly enjoined on his apostles to teach all nations to observe all things whatsoever He Himself had commanded (Matt., 28:19-20).Now, among the commandments of Christ, that one holds not the least place, by which we are commanded to be incorporated by Baptism into the Mystical Body of Christ, which is the Church, and to remain united to Christ and to His Vicar, through whom He Himself in a visible manner governs the Church on earth.

    Therefore, no one will be saved who, knowing the Church to have been divinely established by Christ, nevertheless refuses to submit to the Church or withholds obedience from the Roman Pontiff, the Vicar of Christ on earth.

    Not only did the Savior command that all nations should enter the Church, but He also decreed the Church to be a means of salvation, without which no one can enter the kingdom of eternal glory.

    In His infinite mercy God has willed that the effects, necessary for one to be saved, of those helps to salvation which are directed toward man's final end, not by intrinsic necessity, but only by divine institution, can also be obtained in certain circuмstances when those helps are used only in desire and longing. This we see clearly stated in the Sacred Council of Trent, both in reference to the Sacrament of Regeneration and in reference to the Sacraments of Penance (Denziger, nn. 797, 807).

    The same in its own degree must be asserted of the Church, in as far as she is the general help to salvation. Therefore, that one may obtain eternal salvation, it is not always required that he be incorporated into the Church actually as a member, but it is necessary that at least he be united to her by desire and longing.

    However, this desire need not always be explicit, as it is in catechumens; but when a person is involved in invincible ignorance, God accepts also an implicit desire, so called because it is included in that good disposition of soul whereby a person wishes his will to be conformed to the will of God.
    These things are clearly taught in that dogmatic letter which was issued by the Sovereign Pontiff, Pope Pius XII, on June 29, 1943, "On the Mystical Body of Jesus Christ." (AAS, Vol. 35, an. 1943, p. 193 ff.) For in this letter the Sovereign Pontiff clearly distinguishes between those who are actually incorporated into the Church as members, and those who are united to the Church only by desire.

    Discussing the members of which the Mystical Body is composed here on earth, the same August Pontiff says: "Actually only those are to be included as members of the Church who have been baptized and profess the true faith, and who have not been so unfortunate as to separate themselves from the unity of the Body, or been excluded by legitimate authority for grave faults committed."

    Toward the end of this same Encyclical Letter, when most affectionately inviting to unity those who do not belong to the body of the Catholic Church, he mentions those who "are related to the Mystical Body of the Redeemer by a certain unconscious yearning and desire," and these he by no means excludes from eternal salvation, but on the other hand states that they are in a condition " in which they cannot be sure of their salvation" since "they still remain deprived of those many heavenly gifts and helps which can only be enjoyed in the Catholic Church" (AAS, loc. cit., 342)

    With these wise words he reproves both those who exclude from eternal salvation all united to the Church only by implicit desire, and those who falsely assert that men can be saved equally well in every religion (cf. Pope Pius IX, Allocution "Singulari quadam," in Denziger, nn. 1641, ff. - also Pope Pius IX in the Encyclical Letter "Quanto conficiamur mœrore" in Denzinger, n. 1677).



    But it must not be thought that any kind of desire of entering the Church suffices that one may be saved. It is necessary that the desire by which one is related to the Church be animated by perfect charity. Nor can an implicit desire produce its effect, unless a person has supernatural faith: "For he who comes to God must believe that God exists and is a rewarder of those who seek Him" (Hebrews, 11:6). The Council of Trent declares (Session VI, chap. 8): "Faith is the beginning of man's salvation, the foundation and root of all justification, without which it is impossible to please God and attain to fellowship of His children" (Denz., n. 801)

    From what has been said it is evident that those things which are proposed in the periodical "From the Housetops," fascicle 3, as the genuine teaching of the Catholic Church are far from being such and are very harmful both to those within the Church and those without.

    From these declarations which pertain to doctrine certain conclusions follow which regard discipline and conduct, and which cannot be unknown to those who vigorously defend the necessity by which all are bound of belonging to the true Church and of submitting to the authority of the Roman Pontiff and of the Bishops "whom the Holy Ghost has placed . . . to rule the Church" (Act, 20:28)

    Hence, one cannot understand how the St. Benedict Center can consistently claim to be a Catholic school and wish to be accounted such, and yet not conform to the prescriptions of Canon 1381 and 1382 of the Code of Canon Law, and continue to exist as a source of discord and rebellion against ecclesiastical authority and as a source of the disturbance of many consciences.

    Furthermore, it is beyond understanding how a member of a religious institute, namely Father Feeney, presents himself as a "Defender of the faith," and at the same time does not hesitate to attack the catechetical instruction proposed by lawful authorites, and has not even feared to incur grave sanctions threqatened by the sacred canons because of his serious violations of his duties as a religious, a priest and an ordinary member of the Church.

    Finally, it is in no wise to be tolerated that certain Catholics shall claim for themselves the right to publish a periodical, for the purpose of spreading theological doctrines, without the permission of competent Church Authority, called the "imprimatur," which is prescribed by the sacred canons.

    Therefore, let them who in grave peril are ranged against the Church seriously bear in mind that after "Rome has spoken" they cannot be excused even by reasons of good faith. Certainly, their bond and duty of obedience toward the Church is much graver than that of those who as yet are related to the Church "only by an unconscious desire." Let them realize that they are children of the Church, lovingly nourished by her with the milk of doctrine and the sacraments, and hence, having heard the clear voice of their Mother, they cannot be excused from culpable ignorance, and therefore to them applies without any restriction that principle: submission to the Catholic Church and to the Sovereign Pontiff is required as necessary for salvation.

    In sending this letter, I declare my profound esteem, and remain

    Your Excellency's most devoted

    F. Cardinal Marchetti-Selvaggiani



    My conscience compels me to make this disclaimer lest God judges me partly culpable for the errors and heresy promoted on this forum... For the record I support neither Sedevacantism or the SSPX.  I do not define myself as either a traditionalist or Novus


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    « Reply #35 on: October 15, 2011, 01:12:51 AM »
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  • Feeney was condemned by the Holy Office. This means nothing.

    Heliocentrists were condemned by the Holy Office. And that meant nothing.

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    « Reply #36 on: October 15, 2011, 09:59:54 AM »
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    Isn't the usual saying, all who were outside the ark perished. When that's said it's not merely meant the body, but also the soul.

    I don't believe it is referring to their souls perishing, as St. Peter says that they went to the Limbo of the Fathers (1 Peter 3:18-20):

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    [18] Because Christ also died once for our sins, the just for the unjust: that he might offer us to God, being put to death indeed in the flesh, but enlivened in the spirit, [19] In which also coming he preached to those spirits that were in prison: [20] Which had been some time incredulous, when they waited for the patience of God in the days of Noe, when the ark was a building: wherein a few, that is, eight souls, were saved by water.

    So at least some of those who perished bodily in the Flood were saved by Christ.

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    I have this desire to preach to everyone I see about the true catholic religion, vatican II, and sedevacantism.

    Right now I am unemployed, but this desire could get me fired in the workplace. For example, lets say I am in the corporate world and my boss is a contracepting protestant heretic like the majority of america. What if I told him one day, "hey Boss, I like you as a person but I gotta tell you something for your own good: you are in a false religion and you are on the road to hell."

    If I said that I would get fired ASAP and I could never keep a job in this economy. So what am I supposed to do, keep my mouth shut and hide from the truth??
    There might be situations where you are obliged not to speak the truth but to stay quiet. Even Jesus had to hold back the full truth with the Apostles. If He flat-out and right-off-the-bat said "I am going to be crucified," all the Apostles probably would have deserted Him before His public ministry began. It wasn't until later in the Gospel of John that they were ready to hear the full truth.

    I think the solution is to solely work with Catholics. We're commanded not to "bear the yoke with unbelievers" (2 Corinthians 6:14). I have tried collaborating with fellow Catholics in starting up businesses, but unfortunately there is a lot of reluctance to doing this. Hence, I am self-employed. We Catholics really need to abandon usury-powered Corporate America and setup our own alternate economy.

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    « Reply #38 on: July 25, 2016, 08:50:10 AM »
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  • This isn't even about "Feeneyism" per se.  OP described people committing mortal sin.  Yes, they would be lost if they died in that state.  Yes, >90% of all the people in the world right now are likely not in a state of grace.  That has absolutely nothing to do with Father Feeney.  Nor does the fact that Father Feeney had a "narrow" view of EENS change the fact that these people are in a state of mortal sin.  Stop blaming every darn thing in the world on Father Feeney.

    OP and several other posters on this thread reveal once again that EENS-rejection comes from a place of emotion rather than from theology.  Yes, it's very sad that fornicators go to hell (if they don't repent).  But are we to doubt that now as well just because it's sad?



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    « Reply #39 on: July 25, 2016, 08:58:26 AM »
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  • Feeney puts people who have a supernatural Faith and are not guilty of mortal sin in Hell.  That could be a pretty sizable number of people.
    "I receive Thee, redeeming Prince of my soul. Out of love for Thee have I studied, watched through many nights, and exerted myself: Thee did I preach and teach. I have never said aught against Thee. Nor do I persist stubbornly in my views. If I have ever expressed myself erroneously on this Sacrament, I submit to the judgement of the Holy Roman Church, in obedience of which I now part from this world." Saint Thomas Aquinas the greatest Doctor of the Church

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    « Reply #40 on: July 25, 2016, 09:19:53 AM »
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  • Why are we reviving a five year old topic started by a banned member?


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    « Reply #41 on: July 25, 2016, 09:20:07 AM »
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    Feeney puts people who have a supernatural Faith and are not guilty of mortal sin in Hell.  That could be a pretty sizable number of people.


    Father Feeney doesn't put anyone anywhere, retard.  Some of us believe the dogma taught by Trent that people cannot have supernatural faith without the Sacrament of Baptism.  In the Rite itself, the one about to be baptized asks the Church for faith.  Father Feeney believes that no one who is in a state of grace (justification) will not be provided the Sacrament of Baptism for their salvation.  You make one calumny after another both against Father Feeney and against others.  You have yet to apologize for and retract the mortal-sin calumnies you made against me on this forum.

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    « Reply #42 on: July 25, 2016, 09:35:10 AM »
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  • His theology does.  Please don't cry.  Go study Catholicism.
    "I receive Thee, redeeming Prince of my soul. Out of love for Thee have I studied, watched through many nights, and exerted myself: Thee did I preach and teach. I have never said aught against Thee. Nor do I persist stubbornly in my views. If I have ever expressed myself erroneously on this Sacrament, I submit to the judgement of the Holy Roman Church, in obedience of which I now part from this world." Saint Thomas Aquinas the greatest Doctor of the Church

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    « Reply #43 on: July 25, 2016, 09:36:16 AM »
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    Why are we reviving a five year old topic started by a banned member?


    Good question.  Germinia might know.
    "I receive Thee, redeeming Prince of my soul. Out of love for Thee have I studied, watched through many nights, and exerted myself: Thee did I preach and teach. I have never said aught against Thee. Nor do I persist stubbornly in my views. If I have ever expressed myself erroneously on this Sacrament, I submit to the judgement of the Holy Roman Church, in obedience of which I now part from this world." Saint Thomas Aquinas the greatest Doctor of the Church

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    « Reply #44 on: July 25, 2016, 09:41:56 AM »
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    His theology does.  Please don't cry.  Go study Catholicism.


    No, it doesn't.  You're a liar and a slanderer.  Father Feeney explicitly rejected the notion that anyone can die in a state of grace and be lost.  He believed that God would provide the Sacrament to anyone so that this scenario can never happen.  St. Augustine believed and taught the exact same thing.