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Possibly falling into despair depression
« Reply #15 on: October 08, 2011, 10:10:53 AM »
Quote from: Arborman
"WHOEVER WILL CALL ON THE NAME OF THE LORD WILL BE SAVED." Romans 10:13

For judgment without mercy to him that hath not done mercy. And mercy exalteth itself above judgment.  James 2:13

Bishop Williamson in a sermon on you tube clearly indicates that the flood caused many people to be saved because as they were dying they called out to God for mercy.


Very good point! Disregard my previous post.

Possibly falling into despair depression
« Reply #16 on: October 08, 2011, 10:47:54 AM »
To the OP, I will pray for you, I feel God has chosen you for special graces....it is amazing to me that a 22 yr old, raised in the NO, could come to see the light of Tradition and want to cling to it as strongly as you want to! That is a sure sign that God has chosen you!

I discovered the True Faith in 1977 when I was 17...and I remember the "horror days" of the early Traditional mvmt, when NOs told us we were "sinning" and when TLM's were nearly impossibly to find outside of rented motel banquet rooms.

When you look back on your life and how you discovered Tradition, you may as I did, see so many times when God worked miracles in your life to lead you to where you are now. I sometimes wonder, if, when I decided to investigate the Church after relatives had told me what it "used to be like", I had met up with a modernist priest in my local NO parish instead of the diehard traditional priest I met, would my path have been different? (he was firmly trad but stayed with the NO out of a misguided sense of obedience. Nevertheless he was right where he needed to be, for me....and maybe that was Gods plan all along.) I left shortly after receiving instructions, one on one, from him, because I had found a TLM in a local motel room.

I will pray for your family too...another area where God blessed me is that He enabled me to be certain that both my parents went to Heaven.

My father was an unbaptized Jew who in his later years came to believe very strongly that Jesus Christ is the Messiah, and on his deathbed, after discussing the Faith with him, I was able to baptize him (he died a few hours later.)

My mother had been a Catholic before V2, but left. The good Lord arranged it so that she was in hospice care in my house before she died. I was able to call a priest to my home, who gave her the Sacrament of Extreme Unction on Palm Sunday of all days....she had become unconscious by the time Father got here, and I did not learn until later that when an unconscious Catholic receives Extreme Unction, and then dies before regaining consciousness, they go straight to Heaven. God worked the finest details out so perfectly, so I was able to have these comforts.

Looking back, I see the Hand of God in ALL of my life, and it amazes me. I don't understand what I merited to have these graces. I will pray for you, that God will do the same for you. I think He has already begun, however. :)


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« Reply #17 on: October 08, 2011, 11:53:34 AM »
Part of your problem is that you interpret EENS in a Feeneyite/ absolutist way.

It is possible for non-Catholics to be saved not because of their false religion but in spite of it, though that path is perilous and rare.

Your job is to be a good example, pray for these people, and be available to gently nudge them in the direction of truth. Sledgehammer methods of constantly calling them out to their face only builds resentment and they write you off. So sometimes the best course is that less is more.

Salvation is up to God. You can point out objective things they are doing wrong, but the subjective elements are to be judged by God. I'd concentrate on fulfilling your own obligations and leave these people to God's Divine Judgment.

Possibly falling into despair depression
« Reply #18 on: October 08, 2011, 12:14:52 PM »
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Part of your problem is that you interpret EENS in a Feeneyite/ absolutist way.

It is possible for non-Catholics to be saved not because of their false religion but in spite of it, though that path is perilous and rare.

Your job is to be a good example, pray for these people, and be available to gently nudge them in the direction of truth. Sledgehammer methods of constantly calling them out to their face only builds resentment and they write you off. So sometimes the best course is that less is more.

Salvation is up to God. You can point out objective things they are doing wrong, but the subjective elements are to be judged by God. I'd concentrate on fulfilling your own obligations and leave these people to God's Divine Judgment.


Maybe your right about my Feeneyite/absolutist way. The reason I am this way is because I just purchased the MHFM complete $20 package with all their videos and books. One of the books is called "Outside The Catholic Church There is Absolutely No Salvation."

He makes some very interesting points. But yet I  have talked to traditonal clergy and they disagree with MFHM so I really do not know who to believe.

Another thing I am really struggling with is NFP. Pius XII said it was ok under certain serious circuмstances, but MHFM argues that is a  heretical position and you will go to hell for it.

Im really confused and this is causing me a lot of anxiety.

Possibly falling into despair depression
« Reply #19 on: October 08, 2011, 12:34:14 PM »
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Quote from: InfiniteFaith
Quote from: Roman Catholic
Quote from: InfiniteFaith


..... I am uncertain of any dogma that preaches there is no salvation outside the Catholic Church.



You doubt a dogma of the Church?


Id have to see it for myself before coming to any conclusions.


So you can't state that you adhere with docility to all Dogmas of the Catholic Church?

You must see them all first, to decide for yourself if they are true?


I would have to see something for myself because I don't just take anyones word for it. You could be making a false statement yourself for all i know.