Now we get to the real impetus for slandering/smearing the Dimond Brothers, the poster's hatred for the "heresy" of Feeneyism. Feeneyism is no heresy, and, although this took place technically during the "reign" of Roncali, the men who conducted it were in place during the time of Pius XII already, and they examined the work of Father Feeney and absolved him from any heresy. No one has ever demonstrated that believing that those who lack Sacramental Baptism could be justified but not saved is heresy, and there's no Catholic dogma or even teaching that is contradicted by that position.
Post-Tridentine theologians, including the highly-respected and approved Dominican Melchior Cano, held that infidels, for instance, could be justified but not saved, and the Council of Trent dealt with JUSTIFICATION, not salvation in the passages that the Cushingites rely on for their slander of heresy.
We have a bunch of ignorant buffoons out there hating on the Dimond Brothers largely out of hatred for Catholic EENS dogma.
Bottom line is that any Trad Catholic who holds that non-Catholics can be saved (regardless of the question regarding BoD proper) is a schismatic, since the entire Vatican II theological system, the ecclesiology, the subjectivist soteriology, they are all the logical consequences of such an ecclesiology, and you'll note that this question has nothing to do with BoD, and the only reason it factors in at all is because many EENS-haters constantly use it to deny EENS and hide behind it to justify their rejection of this thrice-defined dogma.
I know I'm sort of an outsider just commenting out of academic curiosity at this point, but this was never exactly why I had a problem with them, even though I disagreed on this issue. I never had the same problems with you, or with St Benedict Center.
I think where the Dimonds get really clowny is they start condemning specific individuals, including Catholic indivduals, and if you don't agree with them on said condemnations they say you aren't Catholic either. They may have chilled out a bit lately, but there's an old video where they say a Sedevacantist priest who died is "certainly" in Hell, and they even say that you aren't a real Catholic if you disagree with them that he's in Hell!
So like, its one thing to say "All non Catholics are damned" and let the chips fall where they may (maybe so and so converted in his heart before he died, or something), its another thing to say "All non Catholics are damned, therefore so and so non Catholic is definitely in Hell) and then its *another* thing to say "all non Catholics are damned, therefore this specific Catholic individual who disagrees with me is damned" and that latter bit just seems really goofy IMO.
Also I know you can debate it, but Pius IX *really* seems to make exceptions for invincible ignorance here. I feel like if anyone said basically what Pius IX said, now, the Dimonds would condemn them as a heretic, but for some reason they don't condemn him because it doesn't fit their agenda.
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