Author Topic: Possibly falling into despair depression (Read 71765 times)

Stubborn · « **Reply #105 on:** July 27, 2016, 07:22:13 AM »

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I think now is the time for Matthew to ban LoT (E), he essentially told someone not to post the athanasian creed and he denies it himself clearly. He is not Catholic.

Show me where I denied it Alebard.

Right here:

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Only true Catholics have any chance to be saved. Those who die as non-Catholics cannot be saved.

That would be true were it not false.

By declaring that non-Catholics can be saved you directly deny the Athanasian Creed which teaches (just like all the Popes and Magisterium of the Church) that only Catholics can be saved and that no one can be saved unless he holds the Catholic faith.

It is amazing how he keeps posting over and over - and over again, as you say, that the Athanasian Creed and the dogma is false, aka "That would be true were it not false." all the while promoting his errors as dogma.

He is one of the many willing victims of the false teachings of those 20th century theologians which helped pave the way for today's crisis as he spams up the place trying to convert whoever he can as he posts error as truth and truth as error.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #106 on:** July 27, 2016, 09:54:57 AM »

At best one could argue that there are some who are not materially Catholic while being formally Catholic. While there are problems with that position, to state categorically that non-Catholics can be saved is heresy.

Similarly, to state that people can be saved without or apart from the Sacrament of Baptism is heresy. At best one could argue that people can receive the Sacrament in voto and that the Sacrament, operating through the votum, remains the instrumental cause of justification quasi-ex-opere-operato, vs. the dispositions meriting salvation ex opere operantis (Pelagian heresy).

Lover of Truth · « **Reply #107 on:** July 27, 2016, 10:39:08 AM »

Quote from: Arvinger

Quote from: Lover of Truth
Quote from: tdrev123
I think now is the time for Matthew to ban LoT (E), he essentially told someone not to post the athanasian creed and he denies it himself clearly. He is not Catholic.

Show me where I denied it Alebard.

Right here:

Quote from: Lover of Truth

Quote from: Arvinger
Only true Catholics have any chance to be saved. Those who die as non-Catholics cannot be saved.

That would be true were it not false.

By declaring that non-Catholics can be saved you directly deny the Athanasian Creed which teaches (just like all the Popes and Magisterium of the Church) that only Catholics can be saved and that no one can be saved unless he holds the Catholic faith.

I do not deny it. I accept all the Church teaches not pitting creed against Pope as you do.

Arvinger · « **Reply #108 on:** July 27, 2016, 12:00:18 PM »

Quote from: Lover of Truth

Quote from: Arvinger
Quote from: Lover of Truth
Quote from: tdrev123
I think now is the time for Matthew to ban LoT (E), he essentially told someone not to post the athanasian creed and he denies it himself clearly. He is not Catholic.

Show me where I denied it Alebard.

Right here:

Quote from: Lover of Truth

Quote from: Arvinger
Only true Catholics have any chance to be saved. Those who die as non-Catholics cannot be saved.

That would be true were it not false.

By declaring that non-Catholics can be saved you directly deny the Athanasian Creed which teaches (just like all the Popes and Magisterium of the Church) that only Catholics can be saved and that no one can be saved unless he holds the Catholic faith.

I do not deny it. I accept all the Church teaches not pitting creed against Pope as you do.

Creed against which Pope? No Pope taught that non-Catholics can be saved.

Lover of Truth · « **Reply #109 on:** July 27, 2016, 12:25:28 PM »

You think that the catechisms, theologians, doctors, fathers, saints and popes contradict the creed when they do not.