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« on: October 08, 2011, 01:15:38 AM »
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  • I once posted this question on fisheaters once and everybody laughed at me but its really serious.

    I am 22, I go to the traditional latin mass, and I am a sedevacantist. I was raised in the novus ordo and as I got older I drifted away just like most adolescents do in that false religion. Then one day when I was 18/19 I picked up a King James Bible given to me by lutheran friends for my NO first communion. The Jesus Christ that I read about in the bible was radically different than the one presented to me in the bogus ordo. After a lot of research on Vatican II and Fatima I got more traditional and came to the situation I am in today. Almost all from reading and internet research. I really think its a special grace I even believe what I believe.

    My religion is starting to distance me more from my family and "friends." For example, not eating meat on Fridays, is something a lot of my family and friends find unusual.

    One thing I am really struggling with right now is the Dogma Outside the Church There is No Salavation. I accept it 100% but its still hard and brings me a lot of despair considering that 100% of my old "friends" are not traditional catholics. I have friends who live in scandulous relationships, I have friends who are divorced and re-married, I have friends who use contraception, I have friends who like to drink and get drunk on the weekends, I have friends who are mormons, protestant heretics, muslims, agnostics, etc. etc. etc. I met all these friends before I converted to the true faith, and it seems impossible I can just ignore them now for the rest of my life. I must also admit that my lifestyle before I converted and even after I converted was scandulous as well. Particuarly going to the bars with these friends and drinking and hanging out in horrible nightclubs with loose women. Right now I go to bars but I try to be extremely cautious because I know they can very easily turn into an occasion of sin.

    My depression also involves my family too, who have been victims of the novus ordo. Most of my family right now, by traditional catholic standards, would probably go to hell if they died right now for mortal sins like fornication, drunkeness, and contraception. Because nobody in the bogus ordo goes to confession, most of these sins will never be confessed. This is really hard for me to swallow considering I love these people being that they are my family, and obviously I do not want them to go to hell.

    Im having a hard time waking up every morning dealing with the fact that the elect is so small. Sometimes I consider making my own website and productions like MHFM warning people about the dangerous path they are on and what the end result will be. I have also considered going door to door like mormons and jehovas witnesses. I dont care anymore, I want to see as many people as possible convert to the one true faith. Every soul is precious to God. I have also considered that maybe my true vocation is just to go door to door, write to newspapers, and set up websites informing people that Outside The Church There Is No Salvation. I really think I lack the holiness and spiritual discipline to be a priest, and I desire marriage, but this is more important. Thoughts??? Is this despair/depression about hell for those around me a genuine call or sign to do something good? Or is it the devil trying to get me to go crazy and seriously depressed???

    When I read Our Lady of Fatima by William Thomas Walsh I recall that young Jacinta was also very depressed about WW2 that was going to happen, and all the souls that would fall into hell. Sometimes I feel that same sorrow.

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    « Reply #1 on: October 08, 2011, 01:25:32 AM »
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  • I have this desire to preach to everyone I see about the true catholic religion, vatican II, and sedevacantism.

    Right now I am unemployed, but this desire could get me fired in the workplace. For example, lets say I am in the corporate world and my boss is a contracepting protestant heretic like the majority of america. What if I told him one day, "hey Boss, I like you as a person but I gotta tell you something for your own good: you are in a false religion and you are on the road to hell."

    If I said that I would get fired ASAP and I could never keep a job in this economy. So what am I supposed to do, keep my mouth shut and hide from the truth??


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    « Reply #2 on: October 08, 2011, 01:42:48 AM »
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  • Quote from: curiouscatholic23
    I once posted this question on fisheaters once and everybody laughed at me but its really serious.

    I am 22, I go to the traditional latin mass, and I am a sedevacantist. I was raised in the novus ordo and as I got older I drifted away just like most adolescents do in that false religion. Then one day when I was 18/19 I picked up a King James Bible given to me by lutheran friends for my NO first communion. The Jesus Christ that I read about in the bible was radically different than the one presented to me in the bogus ordo. After a lot of research on Vatican II and Fatima I got more traditional and came to the situation I am in today. Almost all from reading and internet research. I really think its a special grace I even believe what I believe.

    My religion is starting to distance me more from my family and "friends." For example, not eating meat on Fridays, is something a lot of my family and friends find unusual.

    One thing I am really struggling with right now is the Dogma Outside the Church There is No Salavation. I accept it 100% but its still hard and brings me a lot of despair considering that 100% of my old "friends" are not traditional catholics. I have friends who live in scandulous relationships, I have friends who are divorced and re-married, I have friends who use contraception, I have friends who like to drink and get drunk on the weekends, I have friends who are mormons, protestant heretics, muslims, agnostics, etc. etc. etc. I met all these friends before I converted to the true faith, and it seems impossible I can just ignore them now for the rest of my life. I must also admit that my lifestyle before I converted and even after I converted was scandulous as well. Particuarly going to the bars with these friends and drinking and hanging out in horrible nightclubs with loose women. Right now I go to bars but I try to be extremely cautious because I know they can very easily turn into an occasion of sin.

    My depression also involves my family too, who have been victims of the novus ordo. Most of my family right now, by traditional catholic standards, would probably go to hell if they died right now for mortal sins like fornication, drunkeness, and contraception. Because nobody in the bogus ordo goes to confession, most of these sins will never be confessed. This is really hard for me to swallow considering I love these people being that they are my family, and obviously I do not want them to go to hell.

    Im having a hard time waking up every morning dealing with the fact that the elect is so small. Sometimes I consider making my own website and productions like MHFM warning people about the dangerous path they are on and what the end result will be. I have also considered going door to door like mormons and jehovas witnesses. I dont care anymore, I want to see as many people as possible convert to the one true faith. Every soul is precious to God. I have also considered that maybe my true vocation is just to go door to door, write to newspapers, and set up websites informing people that Outside The Church There Is No Salvation. I really think I lack the holiness and spiritual discipline to be a priest, and I desire marriage, but this is more important. Thoughts??? Is this despair/depression about hell for those around me a genuine call or sign to do something good? Or is it the devil trying to get me to go crazy and seriously depressed???

    When I read Our Lady of Fatima by William Thomas Walsh I recall that young Jacinta was also very depressed about WW2 that was going to happen, and all the souls that would fall into hell. Sometimes I feel that same sorrow.


    This is something I struggle with. I hear people say there is no salvation outside of the Catholic Church, but when you think about it that probably means that 80% of the world has no chance of salvation. And of the remaining 20%, only a certain percentage of those will achieve salvation. This is why I am uncertain of any dogma that preaches there is no salvation outside the Catholic Church. Isn't it possible that a Protestant could repent of his/her sins and not go to hell for any repented Mortal Sin? They just wouldn't be reconciled with Jesus Christ because they don't have the Eucharist. They might go to Purgatory in order to be reconciled with Jesus Christ after being purged by flame. Just some thoughts.

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    « Reply #3 on: October 08, 2011, 01:50:27 AM »
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  •   The greatest of Saints were converts,
    A good number of martyrs were converts,
    The first Christians in any society are converts.
       What you describe is just normal. Marriage crisis, employment crisis, loss of social privilages and family support is bread and butter of conversion. (learns idioms!).

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    « Reply #4 on: October 08, 2011, 01:51:29 AM »
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    ..... I am uncertain of any dogma that preaches there is no salvation outside the Catholic Church.



    You doubt a dogma of the Church?


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    « Reply #5 on: October 08, 2011, 02:01:11 AM »
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  •   Infinitefaith, salvation has nothing to do with numbers. God is not obliged to save a certain number of people. Those who obey him will be saved, be they 98% of the world or just 2 or 3 individuals.
     For example: God says:"Thou shall not kill." and it doesn't matter whether the number of murderers is small or large.
      It is the people's fault if they don't enter the church. The other thing to keep in mind is that faith always leads to action. The way you believe affects your life. So those who believe in false religion will do things that the false religion wants. So they are to be lost even if salvation could be found outside the church.

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    « Reply #6 on: October 08, 2011, 02:03:13 AM »
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    This is something I struggle with. I hear people say there is no salvation outside of the Catholic Church, but when you think about it that probably means that 80% of the world has no chance of salvation. And of the remaining 20%, only a certain percentage of those will achieve salvation. This is why I am uncertain of any dogma that preaches there is no salvation outside the Catholic Church. Isn't it possible that a Protestant could repent of his/her sins and not go to hell for any repented Mortal Sin? They just wouldn't be reconciled with Jesus Christ because they don't have the Eucharist. They might go to Purgatory in order to be reconciled with Jesus Christ after being purged by flame. Just some thoughts.


    Do you find it difficult to believe that all but 8 humans died in the Great Flood because they chose not to get in the Ark?
    "Louvada Siesa O' Sanctisimo Sacramento!"~warcry of the Amakusa/Shimabara rebels

    "We must risk something for God!"~Hernan Cortes


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    « Reply #7 on: October 08, 2011, 02:21:12 AM »
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    I have this desire to preach to everyone I see about the true catholic religion, vatican II, and sedevacantism.

    Right now I am unemployed, but this desire could get me fired in the workplace. For example, lets say I am in the corporate world and my boss is a contracepting protestant heretic like the majority of america. What if I told him one day, "hey Boss, I like you as a person but I gotta tell you something for your own good: you are in a false religion and you are on the road to hell."

    If I said that I would get fired ASAP and I could never keep a job in this economy. So what am I supposed to do, keep my mouth shut and hide from the truth??


    Simple. You shut up about it. As you said before, you already got friends and relatives to worry about who are on the highway to hell. Why are you concerning yourself with this stranger?

    Personally, I'll say something if someone is publicly out of line (being obscene etc.), but generally I keep admonishments regulated to my friends (who are non-catholic), and only those that I know well enough to where they know I'm telling them out of love and not because I need to preach. I recommend you try and do the same.
    "Louvada Siesa O' Sanctisimo Sacramento!"~warcry of the Amakusa/Shimabara rebels

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    « Reply #8 on: October 08, 2011, 02:25:40 AM »
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    ..... I am uncertain of any dogma that preaches there is no salvation outside the Catholic Church.



    You doubt a dogma of the Church?


    Id have to see it for myself before coming to any conclusions.

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    « Reply #9 on: October 08, 2011, 02:29:11 AM »
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    This is something I struggle with. I hear people say there is no salvation outside of the Catholic Church, but when you think about it that probably means that 80% of the world has no chance of salvation. And of the remaining 20%, only a certain percentage of those will achieve salvation. This is why I am uncertain of any dogma that preaches there is no salvation outside the Catholic Church. Isn't it possible that a Protestant could repent of his/her sins and not go to hell for any repented Mortal Sin? They just wouldn't be reconciled with Jesus Christ because they don't have the Eucharist. They might go to Purgatory in order to be reconciled with Jesus Christ after being purged by flame. Just some thoughts.


    Do you find it difficult to believe that all but 8 humans died in the Great Flood because they chose not to get in the Ark?



    Good Point. But they did not go to Hell right away.

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    « Reply #10 on: October 08, 2011, 02:35:38 AM »
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    ..... I am uncertain of any dogma that preaches there is no salvation outside the Catholic Church.



    You doubt a dogma of the Church?


    Id have to see it for myself before coming to any conclusions.


    So you can't state that you adhere with docility to all Dogmas of the Catholic Church?

    You must see them all first, to decide for yourself if they are true?


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    « Reply #11 on: October 08, 2011, 08:41:50 AM »
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    Do you find it difficult to believe that all but 8 humans died in the Great Flood because they chose not to get in the Ark?



    Good Point. But they did not go to Hell right away.


    Isn't the usual saying, all who were outside the ark perished. When that's said it's not merely meant the body, but also the soul.
    2 Corinthians 4:3-4 

    And if our gospel be also hid, it is hid to them that are lost, In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of unbelievers, that the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should not shine unto them.

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    « Reply #12 on: October 08, 2011, 09:18:37 AM »
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    ..... I am uncertain of any dogma that preaches there is no salvation outside the Catholic Church.



    You doubt a dogma of the Church?


    Id have to see it for myself before coming to any conclusions.


    EENS is a dogma of the Church.  Exactly what it means as well as how it works out in individual cases is not.  Most Catholics, historical and currently, have accepted this dogma without concluding that everyone who is not explicitly a Catholic at death necessarily goes to Hell.  God is perfectly just and perfectly merciful and more than capable of working it our.
    Stir up within Thy Church, we beseech Thee, O Lord, the Spirit with which blessed Josaphat, Thy Martyr and Bishop, was filled, when he laid down his life for his sheep: so that, through his intercession, we too may be moved and strengthen by the same Spir

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  • Novus Ordo Catholics can go to Heaven. Unfortunetly though, because they are involved in a watered-down version of the Faith alot of them will be in sin. But they can still be saved. If, however, they know the TLM is the superior Mass yet reject it anyway, they cannot be saved unless they repent.

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    This is something I struggle with. I hear people say there is no salvation outside of the Catholic Church, but when you think about it that probably means that 80% of the world has no chance of salvation. And of the remaining 20%, only a certain percentage of those will achieve salvation. This is why I am uncertain of any dogma that preaches there is no salvation outside the Catholic Church. Isn't it possible that a Protestant could repent of his/her sins and not go to hell for any repented Mortal Sin? They just wouldn't be reconciled with Jesus Christ because they don't have the Eucharist. They might go to Purgatory in order to be reconciled with Jesus Christ after being purged by flame. Just some thoughts.


    Christ said many times in the Bible that very few people make it to Heaven. So that being the case, why would it be hard to comprehend that most people don't go to Heaven?
    Please ignore ALL of my posts. I was naive during my time posting on this forum and didn’t know any better. I retract and deeply regret any and all uncharitable or erroneous statements I ever made here.

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    « Reply #14 on: October 08, 2011, 09:41:12 AM »
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  • "WHOEVER WILL CALL ON THE NAME OF THE LORD WILL BE SAVED." Romans 10:13

    For judgment without mercy to him that hath not done mercy. And mercy exalteth itself above judgment.  James 2:13

    Bishop Williamson in a sermon on you tube clearly indicates that the flood caused many people to be saved because as they were dying they called out to God for mercy.



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