Angelus, your fundamental error is that you believe that “avoiding hell” means “gaining heaven”.  Wrong.  Unbaptized babies (the most invincibly ignorant of all) do not gain heaven but do avoid hell.  They go to Limbo.  Same thing applies to ignorant adults. 

Heaven is a gift and also a reward.  Those who gain heaven are 1) given the gift of Faith and 2) earn merits by fighting (ie church militant).  And God reward them for their efforts. 

The ignorant were not given the gift of Faith, therefore they did not have to fight, ergo they didn’t earn any merits and they gain no reward.  But they will not be punished either.  So they go to Limbo. 

Yes, Pope Pius IX is very clear.

"There are, of course, those who are struggling with invincible ignorance about our most holy religion".

Note that the people he is talking about  are not invincibly ignorant like some native on a desert island. Rather, the people are normal, have intellect, knows how to think and are intelligent in things other than our holy religion but who now struggles with their invincible ignorance about our holy religion, which means the people he is talking about are sincerely trying to find out about our holy religion. He is not talking about those incapable of thinking, nor is he saying those invincibly ignorant of our holy religion can be saved invincibly ignorant of our holy religion.

A Jew, or a Muslim, etc. who lives a moral life can't be saved, nor can anyone who dies outside of the Church. However, a Jew, or a Muslim, etc. who lives a moral life *and* is sincerely seeking, trying to find out about the truths our holy religion (The pope calls this: "struggling with invincible ignorance about our most holy religion".) will assuredly enter the Church - *provided* they correspond to the graces offered. If they do enter the Church, then like all Catholics, they are "able to attain eternal life by the efficacious virtue of divine light and grace" - because they have entered the Church. Contrary to common misunderstanding of his teaching, the pope never says anyone invincibly ignorant will be saved.

Wrong. To posit a kind of purely "natural justification" and oppose it to "supernatural justification" is Pelagianism.

Here is the Canon from the Decree on Justification from Trent:

CANON III.-If any one saith, that without the prevenient inspiration of the Holy Ghost, and without his help, man can believe, hope, love, or be penitent as he ought, so as that the grace of Justification may be bestowed upon him; let him be anathema.

Check it yourself. Which you could have easily done before posting anathematized nonsense:

https://www.papalencyclicals.net/councils/trent/sixth-session.htm

No, I do not believe that "avoiding hell" ONLY means "gaining heaven."

Right, you're saying they are invincibly ignorant and illumined by divine light and grace. So, like I said, you are claiming they die invincibly ignorant

You can twist yourself into a pretzel all you want, you word for word denied the Dogma in your first post:

"Erm, but I actually proposed limbo for them, but I also said they can be saved, but not like 'salvation' saved, but actually yes salvation but not like the Saints salvation, because only those who go straight to heaven can be said to have 'salvation', but those who die outside the Church can make it to paradise, but not like actual paradise, but they can also get to heaven, but remember I actually said limbo so you're wrong to call me a heretic".

You're ridiculous

It is an infinitely more tenable  position than your heresy those who die outside the Church can be saved, so yes. Our Lord is speaking of the Fall of Jerusalem here, not just His Second Coming. This actually strengthens my point. The Gospel had been preached to the ends of the world, as it is written in Scripture, by the time of the fall of Jerusalem

Do you genuinely believe that the Gospel has not been preached in the whole world yet? We're just waiting on, like, Sentinel Island or something?

• The End of Man: For Aquinas, perfect happiness (beatitudo) must consist in the vision of the Divine Essence (Summa Theologiae, I-II, Q. 3, A. 8). Any happiness short of this is imperfect.

• Eden's Purpose: The Earthly Paradise was designed to be a place where man could merit the Beatific Vision, not a place where he achieved it.
  
  
  • Aquinas describes Eden as a place of "temporal and corporeal felicity" (Summa Theologiae, I, Q. 102, A. 1), which is inferior to the supreme, eternal, and spiritual felicity of Heaven.
• The "Unfavourable Dimension": As discussed previously, if the justified soul (post-Christ) were sent to a non-heavenly, perfect place like the Earthly Paradise, it would still lack the Beatific Vision. This lack would introduce an "unfavourable dimension" (unfulfilled desire), meaning it cannot be the "fuller, complete rest" (Heaven) that Aquinas claims the delivered Fathers received.

One of the criminals who were hanged railed at him, saying, “Are you not the Christ? Save yourself and us!” But the other rebuked him, saying, “Do you not fear God, since you are under the same sentence of condemnation? And we indeed jus1tly, for we are receiving the due reward of our deeds; but this man has done nothing wrong.” And he said, “Jesus, remember me when you come in2to your kingdom.” And he said to him, “Truly, I say to you, today you will be with me in Paradise.”3
(4Luke 23:39–43, ESV)

• Why not Heaven? Heaven was closed to humanity due to the barrier of Original Sin. The gates of Heaven were understood to be opened by Christ's death and Resurrection (and subsequent Ascension, which happened on the 40th day after the Resurrection).
• The Journey of Christ's Soul: Christ's soul descended into the realm of the dead after His death on Good Friday.
  
  
  • Christ's soul went to the Limbus Patrum (or Paradise/Abraham's Bosom) to liberate the souls of the Old Testament saints who had died in grace.
• The Good Thief's Destination: The Good Thief, justified by his final, perfect act of faith and repentance, was considered a righteous soul. He was thus taken by Christ's soul to that place of rest.

Infants don't go to Abraham's bosom.  They go to Limbo, not the OT 'Limbo of the Just'.  2 different places.

Angelus, how does one who is ignorant, stay ignorant AFTER they are illuminated by divine light and grace?  Answer:  They don't stay ignorant.


The Pope is telling us that those who follow the natural law will be illuminated by divine light/grace (AND CONVERT), which is why they won't suffer eternal punishments.

He didn't "spell it out" because it's assumed (based on the adage of "grace builds on nature") and based on scripture that God enlightens those who are of good will.

You're arguing that an ignorant person can be illuminated by God and still be ignorant.