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Re: Popes on EENS
« Reply #45 on: November 28, 2017, 01:52:03 PM »
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  • Maybe the quote wasn't clear.

    In the first quote Daly is talking about an "implicit desire" to enter the Church, not "implicit faith" in Christ.
    Understand. I jump to defense when I see the word "implicit" these days.

    Does this sort of reasoning even make sense? If someone were to have explicit faith in Christ, how is it possible to have an implicit desire to enter the Church?

    That would have to mean that while explicitly believing in Christ, one did not know He instituted the Catholic Church, which is the message of the Gospel. You know what I mean?



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    Re: Popes on EENS
    « Reply #46 on: November 28, 2017, 09:06:04 PM »
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  • No, it's possible that invincible ignorance is a thing - especially if one is an indigenous Eskimo in subarctic Canada.
    So tell me, why God would not let the lonely eunuch from the Bible perish in his "invincible ignorance" in the middle of Africa; but instead send Peter with the sole purpose of instructing him and water baptizing him?

    If there is an example of a true invincible ignorance working, we find it in this lonely Ethiopian eunuch. Because he is sincere and truly seeking, God, Who searches all hearts and knows all dispositions, makes sure to send him a missionary in the middle of nowhere. A true, salvific invincible ignorance is that which is so strong that actually calls God to send someone to offer the tangible Sacraments to the poor, persistent soul who is calling, instead of letting him perish without that which is much necessary for salvation, according to what has been divinely revealed.
    If anyone says that true and natural water is not necessary for baptism and thus twists into some metaphor the words of our Lord Jesus Christ" Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Spirit" (Jn 3:5) let him be anathema.


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    Re: Popes on EENS
    « Reply #47 on: November 29, 2017, 08:17:16 AM »
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  • So tell me, why God would not let the lonely eunuch from the Bible perish in his "invincible ignorance" in the middle of Africa; but instead send Peter with the sole purpose of instructing him and water baptizing him?

    If there is an example of a true invincible ignorance working, we find it in this lonely Ethiopian eunuch. Because he is sincere and truly seeking, God, Who searches all hearts and knows all dispositions, makes sure to send him a missionary in the middle of nowhere. A true, salvific invincible ignorance is that which is so strong that actually calls God to send someone to offer the tangible Sacraments to the poor, persistent soul who is calling, instead of letting him perish without that which is much necessary for salvation, according to what has been divinely revealed.
    Great passage to refute BOD. In addition we find that without the Eunuch believing in Jesus Christ (with all his heart), Philip would not have baptized him. An act of contrition, an act of love, or belief in a God that punishes and rewards was not sufficient. Of course, God (knowing all things) made sure that water would be available for baptism. We see the Eunich express desire for the truth and then for water baptism. God provided in both cases. Jesus will make sure that His sheep hear his voice (one way or another--John 10:16, 27).


    26. And an Angel of our Lord spake to Philip, saying, Arise, and go toward the South, to the way that goeth down from Jerusalem into Gaza: this is desert. 27. And rising he went. And behold, a man of Ethiopia, an eunuch, of great authority under Candace the Queen of the Ethiopians, who was over all her treasures, was come to Jerusalem to adore: 28. And he was returning and sitting upon his chariot, and reading Esay the Prophet. 29. And the Spirit said to Philip, Go near, and join thy self to this same chariot. 30. And Philip running thereunto, heard him reading Esay the Prophet, and he said: Trowest thou that thou understandest the things which thou readest? 31. Who said, And how can I, unless some man shew me? and he desired Philip that he would come up and sit with him. 32. And the place of the scripture which he did read, was this: As a sheep to slaughter was he led: and as a lamb before his shearer, without voice, so did he not open his mouth. 33. In humility his judgment was taken away. His generation who shall declare, for from the earth shall his life be taken? 34. And the eunuch answering Philip, said, I beseech thee, of whom doth the Prophet speak this? of himself, or of some other? 35. And Philip opening his mouth, and beginning from this scripture, evangelized unto him JESUS. 36. And as they went by the way, they came to a certain water: and the eunuch said, Lo water, who doth let me to be baptized? 37. And Philip said, If thou believe with all thy heart, thou mayest. And he answering said, I believe that JESUS CHRIST is the son of God.38. And he commanded the chariot to stay: and both went down into the water, Philip and the Eunuch, and he baptized him. (Acts 8:26-38 )


    Catholic Encyclopedia – Heresy, 1913: The Pope himself, if notoriously guilty of heresy, would cease to be Pope because he would cease to be a member of the Church.

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    Re: Popes on EENS
    « Reply #48 on: November 29, 2017, 09:01:26 AM »
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  • Sorry, I meant Philip the Evangelist in my previous post. I'm on my phone and sometimes it is a bit of a hassle to edit posts.
    If anyone says that true and natural water is not necessary for baptism and thus twists into some metaphor the words of our Lord Jesus Christ" Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Spirit" (Jn 3:5) let him be anathema.

     

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