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Offline Stubborn

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Re: Pope St. Siricius rejects Baptism of Desire
« Reply #85 on: March 14, 2021, 12:27:04 PM »
Quote from: RomanTheo on March 14, 2021, 12:28:04 AM
St. Ambrose: “But I hear that you grieve because he did not receive the sacrament of baptism.....
"The reason these faithful were grieved was because they believed that "unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Ghost he cannot enter the Kingdom of God."

Perhaps too, they had been Instructed by Ambrose himself, who said: 'One is the Baptism which the Church administers: the Baptism of water and the Holy Ghost, with which catechumens need to be baptized . . . Nor does the mystery of regeneration exist at all without water: 'For unless a man be born again of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom.' Now, even the catechumen believes in the cross of the Lord Jesus, with which he also signs himself; but, unless he be baptized in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, he cannot receive remission of his sins nor the gift of spiritual grace." (De Mysterlls,-THE DIVINE OFFICE)".  - From Who Shall Ascend?
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Re: Pope St. Siricius rejects Baptism of Desire
« Reply #86 on: March 14, 2021, 12:30:04 PM »
Quote from: Last Tradhican on March 14, 2021, 12:22:12 PM
Good luck with getting a straight answer to your question from this RomanTheo. He is likely another spammer sitting one seat over from XavierSem.

Here is my 4th try:

What flavor of BOD are you promoting here? Define your BOD in the fewest words possible (it) . Be the first BODer to ever do it on CI or anywhere else I've been to in 25+ years.
None of the BODers answer clear questions, with clear answers, never have.
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Offline RomanTheo

Re: Pope St. Siricius rejects Baptism of Desire
« Reply #87 on: March 14, 2021, 04:42:06 PM »
Quote from: Last Tradhican on March 14, 2021, 12:22:12 PM
Good luck with getting a straight answer to your question from this RomanTheo. He is likely another spammer sitting one seat over from XavierSem.

Here is my 4th try:

What flavor of BOD are you promoting here? Define your BOD in the fewest words possible (it) . Be the first BODer to ever do it on CI or anywhere else I've been to in 25+ years.
A supernatural act of faith, combined with an act of perfect charity and the desire to receive baptism. This disposes the soul to receive an infusion of sanctifying grace from Christ, which makes him an adopted child of God and heir of heaven.  If he dies in this state he is saved, even if he lacks the baptismal character.

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Offline RomanTheo

Re: Pope St. Siricius rejects Baptism of Desire
« Reply #88 on: March 14, 2021, 05:01:57 PM »
Quote from: Stubborn on March 14, 2021, 12:24:29 PM
Same tired old false accusation, I am simply reading and understanding what it says, not interpreting anything.

"We declare, say, define, and pronounce that it is absolutely necessary for the salvation of every human creature to be subject to the Roman Pontiff." (Boniface VIII, Unam Sanctam).

If you accept that as it is written, how can a person be saved if they die during an interregnum?  
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Offline Last Tradhican

Re: Pope St. Siricius rejects Baptism of Desire
« Reply #89 on: March 14, 2021, 06:41:23 PM »
Quote from: RomanTheo on March 14, 2021, 04:42:06 PM
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What flavor of BOD are you promoting here? Define your BOD in the fewest words possible (it) . Be the first BODer to ever do it on CI or anywhere else I've been to in 25+ years.
A supernatural act of faith, combined with an act of perfect charity and the desire to receive baptism. This disposes the soul to receive an infusion of sanctifying grace from Christ, which makes him an adopted child of God and heir of heaven.  If he dies in this state he is saved, even if he lacks the baptismal character.
You deny clear dogmas, to teach that they do not mean what they say, and you expect me to believe your ambiguous sophism?  This is typical of you vipers, fake Thomists. No truth comes from you.

Answer two simple questions:

Why are you killing this person before God completes what is TOTALLY His doing?

What exactly is this "desire to receive baptism", is it the explicit desire to be a baptized Catholic, the baptism of desire of the catechumen of St. Thomas? Or is it the  implicit faith of a Muslim, Hindu, Jew?
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