Author Topic: Pope St. Siricius rejects Baptism of Desire (Read 8996 times)

Ladislaus · « **Reply #45 on:** March 12, 2021, 04:45:19 PM »

Quote from: 2Vermont on March 12, 2021, 03:08:43 PM

So has anyone seen my question earlier in this thread about applying Pope Siricius' comments to catechumens? It appears that he believes that catechumens would be lost as well. And yet I thought that most here, like the poster above, are willing to accept the version of BOD that allows for catechumens.

Yes, the Pope obviously didn't believe in BoD for catechumens. In fact, I'm certain he has catechumens in mind as those desiring Baptism when he refers to Easter being the customary time for their Baptism.

I don't believe in BoD for catechumens either, as I believe that God will bring any who are properly disposed the Sacrament itself.

I'm just saying that a BoD for catechumens does not have the massive ecclesiological ramifications of extending it to all manner of heretic, schismatic, and infidel.

I'm just saying that I would not have anything more than a polite disagreement with someone who believed in BoD for catechumens, since that in itself does not absolutely wreck Catholic ecclesiology.

What I get riled up against is the proposition that those who have no connection to the Visible Church can be saved.

MyrnaM · « **Reply #46 on:** March 12, 2021, 08:47:58 PM »

Pope Siricius' believed in BOD just as the Churches teaches it, without wiggle room.

I wouldn't count on all things HolyFamMon produces, they have the reputation of editing in and out, words they like or dislike often when it suits their agenda. Sometime just little words like "OR".

Pope Siricius knows that BOD doesn't even come into the conversation unless death came first BEFORE the proper administration of the Sacrament which the recipient was being prepared for.

How do I know that? Because he was a True Pope, the church has taught BOD for centuries which qualifies Baptism of desire worthy of belief. Pope Siricius knew that BOD is not equivalent to the Sacrament and no one should depend on it. His historical context.should be considered.

It would be interesting if someone would show words to deny BOD in Catholic [color=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.87)]Catechism books throughout past centuries.  [/color]

Ladislaus · « **Reply #47 on:** March 12, 2021, 08:50:39 PM »

Please stop while you’re behind, Myrna. I’d prefer not to pick sort that last nonsensical post of yours.

2Vermont · « **Reply #48 on:** March 13, 2021, 07:08:16 AM »

Quote from: Pax Vobis on March 12, 2021, 09:17:47 AM

Xavier,
To further prove your illogical fantasies, let's show more of your theological contradictions:
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1. You say that Trent commentary is infallible.
2. You say that catechisms are infallible.
3. You say that we must believe what St Alphonsus' says is infallible.
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But a statement directly from a pope on baptism/salvation is not infallible? Are you kidding me?
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You dishonestly try to dodge this contradiction by saying it's not a "dogmatic definition", which is true, but according to you, non-dogmatic definitions (see above) can also be infallible. Contradictions, confusion and lies from you...

To be fair to Xavier here, isn't this what R&R adherents do all of the time though?

Ladislaus · « **Reply #49 on:** March 13, 2021, 07:11:47 AM »

Quote from: 2Vermont on March 13, 2021, 07:08:16 AM

Isn't this what R&R adherents do all of the time though?

Except that Xaiver isn't actually R&R. He doesn't think there's anything that wrong with V2 or the New Mass.

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