Author Topic: Pope St. Siricius rejects Baptism of Desire (Read 8989 times)

DecemRationis · « **Reply #15 on:** March 10, 2021, 02:16:14 PM »

Quote from: Struthio on March 10, 2021, 01:03:51 PM

Then why did you say the following yesterday?

Following Pope St. Siricius, BoD is heresy. Consequently those who believe, teach, or preach BoD are heretics, and the Dimonds are right (in accusing ... ).

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Ladislaus · « **Reply #16 on:** March 10, 2021, 02:37:17 PM »

Quote from: Struthio on March 10, 2021, 01:03:51 PM

Then why did you say the following yesterday?

Following Pope St. Siricius, BoD is heresy. Consequently those who believe, teach, or preach BoD are heretics, and the Dimonds are right (in accusing ... ).

I don't believe that he was DEFINING directly that part of his sentence ... the same thing I said about Trent and BoD.

So, he's saying ---
"Baptize adults in danger of death ASAP ... since we'd risk our souls in that each one of them would be lost."

That part of the sentence is an explanation or reason, and the reasons don't have the same authority as the actual definition.

So, for instance, in the dogmatic definition of the Immaculate Conception, there's a difference in authority between the actual defined proposition, namely, that Our Lady was conceived in Original Sin, and the explanatory reasons for why it's true.

Same thing applies here, so that core of the statement is a command "baptize adults in danger of death ASAP" ... because ....

Ladislaus · « **Reply #17 on:** March 10, 2021, 02:40:37 PM »

Quote from: DecemRationis on March 10, 2021, 02:15:30 PM

That's strong and authoritative: "He does not need you as His advocate." I like that.

Do you have a source for that quote?

Here's the footnote citation:
St. Jerome, Letter to Ctesiphontes, Migne, Patrologiae Latinae, 21, 1147-1161, translated from the Latin by Giovanni Ricciardi, 30 Days, February, 1991, English edition, San Francisco, pp. 50-51.

But I found the quote here:
https://catholicism.org/pelagius-lives.html

Ladislaus · « **Reply #18 on:** March 10, 2021, 02:46:03 PM »

Quote from: Ladislaus on March 10, 2021, 02:40:37 PM

Here's the footnote citation:
St. Jerome, Letter to Ctesiphontes, Migne, Patrologiae Latinae, 21, 1147-1161, translated from the Latin by Giovanni Ricciardi, 30 Days, February, 1991, English edition, San Francisco, pp. 50-51.

But I found the quote here:
https://catholicism.org/pelagius-lives.html

Hey, if I win the Lottery, I could buy this entire set of Migne's work:

https://www.abebooks.com/Patrologiae-cursus-completus-Series-Latina-Latinae/22010874493/bd
for only about $20,000

It was so nice when I had access to the University library, which had all these. There's a total of 50,000 pages from the Latin Fathers ... and all the way through the 13th century, and these are large pages with small print.

Comrade · « **Reply #19 on:** March 10, 2021, 05:28:07 PM »

This is not new but good to bring up again. MHFM published Pope St. Siricius Decree with a video and a very detailed breakdown/analysis over 7 years ago.

https://www.mostholyfamilymonastery.com/catholicchurch/latin-text-oldest-surviving-papal-decree-rejects-baptism-desire/#.YElUQ2hKhaQ

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