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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Pope St. Siricius rejects Baptism of Desire
« Reply #10 on: March 10, 2021, 12:23:42 PM »
Quote from: Tradman on March 10, 2021, 10:46:04 AM
Watching bod develop has been aggravating. The progression of what was once perhaps innocently considered, to what is now accepted is a clue that this has always been an attack on the sacraments and on baptism specifically.  Either that, or the devil forgot to bother.      

Well, it's interesting in that you can see it develop even in St. Augustine.  He realized, unfortunately too late, that BoD, even in its "innocent" form, leads to Pelagianism.  And that is EXACTLY what we have today.  Pelagius has prevailed in most of the modern world.

https://catholicism.org/pelagius-lives.html
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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Pope St. Siricius rejects Baptism of Desire
« Reply #11 on: March 10, 2021, 12:28:22 PM »
Pelagians were making the same objection that Fr. Cekada did, to which St Jerome responds (the same way that we Feeneyites respond to Fr Cekada):

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It is true that neither fertile Britain, nor the people of Scotland, nor any of the barbar­ian nations as far as the ocean knew anything about Moses and His prophets. Why was it necessary that He come at the end of those times when numerous multitudes of people had already perished? Writing to the Romans, the blessed Apostle cautiously airs this question but he cannot answer it and leaves it to God’s knowl­edge. So, you should also deign to accept that there may be no answer to what you ask. To God be the power and He does not need you as His advocate.
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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Pope St. Siricius rejects Baptism of Desire
« Reply #12 on: March 10, 2021, 12:39:13 PM »
St. Jerome wrote this of the Pelagians in his day:

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For while they make vain statements claiming one thing, it has been proved that they have quite another thing in their hearts.

So we have people who make empty (vain) statements saying that they believe in EENS, but it comes out that they really don't (in their hearts).
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Offline Struthio

Re: Pope St. Siricius rejects Baptism of Desire
« Reply #13 on: March 10, 2021, 01:03:51 PM »
Quote from: Ladislaus on March 10, 2021, 09:03:48 AM
Unlike those two letters from the Innocents, this was was presented as authoritative papal teaching, addressed to the entire Church, finishing with the statement that what he decreed should be observed by all those who  qui nolunt ab apostolicae petrae, super quam Christus universalem construxit Ecclesiam, soliditate divelli "who do not wish to be severed from the solidity of the Apostolic Rock upon which Christ founded the universal Church."

Then why did you say the following yesterday?

Quote from: Ladislaus on March 09, 2021, 06:18:07 AM
They [the Dimonds] are in fact not wrong in accusing MOST of them of heresy. Where they go wrong is in accusing people of heresy simply for believing in BoD even when they explain it in a Catholic sense.

Following Pope St. Siricius, BoD is heresy. Consequently those who believe, teach, or preach BoD are heretics, and the Dimonds are right (in accusing ... ).

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Online DecemRationis

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Re: Pope St. Siricius rejects Baptism of Desire
« Reply #14 on: March 10, 2021, 02:15:30 PM »
Quote from: Ladislaus on March 10, 2021, 12:28:22 PM
Pelagians were making the same objection that Fr. Cekada did, to which St Jerome responds (the same way that we Feeneyites respond to Fr Cekada):


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It is true that neither fertile Britain, nor the people of Scotland, nor any of the barbar­ian nations as far as the ocean knew anything about Moses and His prophets. Why was it necessary that He come at the end of those times when numerous multitudes of people had already perished? Writing to the Romans, the blessed Apostle cautiously airs this question but he cannot answer it and leaves it to God’s knowl­edge. So, you should also deign to accept that there may be no answer to what you ask. To God be the power and He does not need you as His advocate.


That's strong and authoritative: "He does not need you as His advocate." I like that. 

Do you have a source for that quote?
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