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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: POPE PIUS XII'S ENCYCLICAL HUMANI GENERIS
« Reply #50 on: September 22, 2017, 09:17:28 AM »
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« Reply #51 on: September 22, 2017, 09:20:31 AM »
Quote from: Lover of Truth on September 22, 2017, 08:27:25 AM
Pope Innocent III (13th century): From the letter "Debitum pastoralis officii" to Berthold, the Bishop of Metz, Aug. 28, 1206: "You have, to be sure, intimated that a certain Jew, when at the point of death, since he lived only among Jews, immersed himself in water while saying: 'I baptize myself in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, Amen.' We respond that, since there should be a distinction between the one baptizing and the one baptized, as is clearly gathered from the words of the Lord, when He says to the Apostles: 'Go, baptize all nations in the name etc.," the Jew mentioned must be baptized again by another, that it may be shown that he who is baptized is one person, and he who baptizes another...If, however, such a one had died immediately, he would have rushed to his heavenly home without delay because of the faith of the sacrament, although not because of the sacrament of faith."

I was waiting for this one, Lover of Heresy.  You see that the bolded section clearly condemns St. Alphonsus' speculation that people saved by BoD would still have Purgatory time to suffer.

St. Alphonsus cited a letter of similar authority from Innocent II as making BoD de fide.  By application of his own criteria, then, St. Alphonsus himself taught heresy  in contradicting the above teaching of Innocent III.
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Re: POPE PIUS XII'S ENCYCLICAL HUMANI GENERIS
« Reply #52 on: September 22, 2017, 09:28:51 AM »
St. Recipicius, Nov 10, p. 1095: “During the reign of the emperor Decius, as Tryphon was preaching the faith of Jesus Christ and striving to persuade all men to worship the Lord, he was arrested by the henchmen of Decius. First, he was tortured on the rack, his flesh torn with iron hooks, then hung head downward, his feet pierced with red hot nails. He was beaten by clubs, scorched by burning torches held against his body. As a result of seeing him endure all these tortures so courageously, the tribune Respicius was converted to the faith of Christ the Lord. Upon the spot he publicly declared himself to be a Christian. Respicius was then tortured in various ways, and toggether with Tryphon, dragged to a statue of Jupiter. As Tryphon prayed, the statue fell down. After this occurredboth were mercilessly beaten with leaden tipped whips and thus attained to glorious martyrdom.”
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Re: POPE PIUS XII'S ENCYCLICAL HUMANI GENERIS
« Reply #53 on: September 22, 2017, 10:16:10 AM »
LoT is completely deranged.
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« Reply #54 on: September 22, 2017, 12:33:33 PM »
St. Pope Pius X (early 20th century): Catechism of Christian Doctrine (Catechism of St. Pius X):

The Creed, Ninth Article, The Church in Particular: 29 Q. But if a man through no fault of his own is outside the Church, can he be saved? A. If he is outside the Church through no fault of his, that is, if he is in good faith, and if he has received Baptism, or at least has the implicit desire of Baptism; and if, moreover, he sincerely seeks the truth and does God's will as best he can such a man is indeed separated from the body of the Church, but is united to the soul of the Church and consequently is on the way of salvation

Baptism, Necessity of Baptism and Obligations of the Baptized: 17 Q. Can the absence of Baptism be supplied in any other way? A. The absence of Baptism can be supplied by martyrdom, which is called Baptism of Blood, or by an act of perfect love of God, or of contrition, along with the desire, at least implicit, of Baptism, and this is called Baptism of Desire.
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