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Title: Pope Leo I On The Necessity Of Baptism (5th Century)
Post by: WorldsAway on November 03, 2025, 08:48:55 PM


https://theseeofpeter.com/docuмent/letter-xvi-from-pope-leo-to-the-bishops-throughout-sicily/ (https://theseeofpeter.com/docuмent/letter-xvi-from-pope-leo-to-the-bishops-throughout-sicily/)



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VI. Those Facing Death’s Necessity May Be Baptized Anytime

While we reserve the free vows of the safe and peaceful for these two connected feasts, we decree that this singular aid of salvation be denied to no one in mortal danger, siege, persecution, or shipwreck at any time.
Title: Re: Pope Leo I On The Necessity Of Baptism (5th Century)
Post by: St Giles on November 03, 2025, 10:57:33 PM
What if, as an adult, they don't want it?
Title: Re: Pope Leo I On The Necessity Of Baptism (5th Century)
Post by: WorldsAway on November 04, 2025, 05:51:14 AM
What if, as an adult, they don't want it?
Then they will not receive it, and will not be saved...

And if they are baptized against their will, they are not justified 
Title: Re: Pope Leo I On The Necessity Of Baptism (5th Century)
Post by: cassini on November 07, 2025, 07:07:26 AM
Can you baptise someone against parents will or someone in a coma?
Title: Re: Pope Leo I On The Necessity Of Baptism (5th Century)
Post by: AnthonyPadua on November 07, 2025, 07:25:52 AM
Can you baptise someone against parents will or someone in a coma?
Against parents will yes.

Coma not sure. If they have expressed desire for it in the past then yes. If under the age of reason then yes as well. If adult and they have said they don't want it in the past then you shouldn't. If they have never mentioned it I am not sure.
Title: Re: Pope Leo I On The Necessity Of Baptism (5th Century)
Post by: SimonJude on November 07, 2025, 07:41:46 AM
I once knew a woman who became a PICU nurse so she could baptize the children.  
Title: Re: Pope Leo I On The Necessity Of Baptism (5th Century)
Post by: Stubborn on November 07, 2025, 07:46:36 AM
Against parents will yes.
Unless death is imminent, no.

I can't remember where I read it, but no you cannot baptize a child against the parent's will unless they are Catholic or vow to raise the child in the faith. The case I read about happened in the 1600s I think, the Church demanded the child, who was made an adopted child of God by baptism, be taken from the non-Catholic parents to be raised in a convent or monastery.That's the jist, dates and places probably off.

St. Thomas said: "Baptism without faith is of no value. Indeed, it must be known that no one is acceptable before God unless he have faith."
Title: Re: Pope Leo I On The Necessity Of Baptism (5th Century)
Post by: cassini on November 07, 2025, 08:52:16 AM
Few Catholics today know the duty of a godparent. It means you will assist in the godchild's Catholicism.
Do you remember your godparents?  Few do. I remember my godmother of 83 years ago.
I pray for her as my godmother.
Do not know who was my godfather.
Title: Re: Pope Leo I On The Necessity Of Baptism (5th Century)
Post by: Stubborn on November 07, 2025, 08:57:49 AM
Few Catholics today know the duty of a godparent. It means you will assist in the godchild's Catholicism.
Do you remember your godparents?  Few do. I remember my godmother of 83 years ago.
I pray for her as my grandmother.
Do not know who was my godfather.
Sure. Aunt Lucy and Uncle Curly lol
Title: Re: Pope Leo I On The Necessity Of Baptism (5th Century)
Post by: SimonJude on November 08, 2025, 03:46:09 AM
Against parents will yes.

Coma not sure. If they have expressed desire for it in the past then yes. If under the age of reason then yes as well. If adult and they have said they don't want it in the past then you shouldn't. If they have never mentioned it I am not sure.
If you think death is imminent, do it, even if they have said in the past that they don't want it.  God will sort it out.