LoT, stay off this thread unless you with to directly address the topic under discussion.Pope Innocent III (13th century): From the letter "Debitum pastoralis officii" to Berthold, the Bishop of Metz, Aug. 28, 1206: "You have, to be sure, intimated that a certain Jєω, when at the point of death, since he lived only among Jєωs, immersed himself in water while saying: 'I baptize myself in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, Amen.' We respond that, since there should be a distinction between the one baptizing and the one baptized, as is clearly gathered from the words of the Lord, when He says to the Apostles: 'Go, baptize all nations in the name etc.," the Jєω mentioned must be baptized again by another, that it may be shown that he who is baptized is one person, and he who baptizes another...If, however, such a one had died immediately, he would have rushed to his heavenly home without delay because of the faith of the sacrament, although not because of the sacrament of faith."
St. Alphonsus: “Baptism of blowing is perfect conversion to God through contrition or through the love of God above all things, with the explicit desire, or implicit desire of the true river of baptism whose place it supplies (iuxta Trid. Sess. 14, c. 4) with respect to the remission of the guilt, but not with respect to the character to be imprinted, nor with respect to the full liability of the punishment to be removed: it is called of blowing because it is made through the impulse of the Holy Spirit, who is called a blowing.” (St. Alphonsus, Moral Theology, Volume V, Book 6, n. 96)
Innocent III here condemns St. Alphonsus' speculative theology that BoD does not remit the full liability of punishment. Ironically, St. Alphonsus cites a letter of similar "authority" from Innocent II for proof that BoD is
de fide. Consequently, by application of his own principles, St. Alphonsus promotes a heretical understanding of BoD. This view also contradicts the teaching of Trent that the initial justification necessarily involves the grace of complete rebirth and regeneration without any remaining vestige of sin or liability for punishment.
I love it how LoT spams in material that contradicts other material he has spammed ... being too obtuse to even realize it. So long as there's some mention of BoD, just spam it in.
These contradictions in
BoD theory contitute
prima facie evidence that BoD has never been defined. People promote it but can't agree on what it is and how it works. So how can I have "faith" in something when I don't even know what it is that I'm supposed to believe in. No, the only thing that BoDers AGREE on, in the final analysis, as the greatest common denominator, is that the Sacrament of Baptism is NOT necessary for salvation. That, in a nutshell, is the definition of BoD "dogma", that the Sacrament of Baptism is not necessary for salvation. And that, as such, is a direct contradiction of Trent.
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