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Author Topic: People needing baptism, raised from the dead, etc.  (Read 16464 times)

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Offline Lover of Truth

Re: People needing baptism, raised from the dead, etc.
« Reply #55 on: August 21, 2017, 12:47:53 PM »
Quote from: An even Seven on August 18, 2017, 05:58:14 AM
HAHA. It's complicated...unlike Catholic Dogma.
The Dogma of the Holy Trinity cannot be fully understood.  It is a great mystery not merely something complicated but can be fully understood.  Should we doubt this then as well? 
EENS apart from BOD is complicated as we then have to reject Trent or pretend it taught the opposite of what it taught.  Now that is complicating things. 
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Offline Lover of Truth

Re: People needing baptism, raised from the dead, etc.
« Reply #56 on: August 21, 2017, 12:50:08 PM »
Quote from: GJC on August 20, 2017, 06:19:05 PM
It is quite obvious that according to the Providence of God these individuals were to be saved, and though a sleep, not judged.
And clear writing on the wall for those who carelessly follow those modernist bishops and priests that claim that spiritual rebirth can occur without the sacrament of Baptism.
:facepalm: Souls are judged at the moment of death.

This used to be basic stuff before Feeneyites crashed the Catholic party.
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Offline DZ PLEASE

Re: People needing baptism, raised from the dead, etc.
« Reply #57 on: August 21, 2017, 12:51:52 PM »
You really can smell the irony…
Quote from: Mithrandylan on August 21, 2017, 12:14:01 PM
It's unbelievable.  We've got people here who are implying the non-eternity of Hell, the possibility of more than two eternal final places, the possibility of not going immediately to Hell, the possibility of soul and body being reunited before the general judgment, and now to top it off, we have the sacrament of baptism "through an unseen miracle."
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Kids, this is what confirmation bias does to you.  You turn around, look, and all of a sudden you've toppled half a dozen truths on the way to retaining your pet theory.
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Those of you with children who are first communion age hopefully recall, if you didn't already, that a sacrament is a visible sign.  "Invisible baptism" is not baptism at all.
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Just abandon this ridiculous proof, already.  Y'all are going to keep reading Trent without any deference to the catechisms, popes, theologians, saints, or any authoritative teaching mechanism of the Church anyways, that's where your bread and butter is, so stick to that.  Those "on the fence" who see you turning the most basic tenets of Catholic theology and doctrine on their head to retain your position aren't going to be won over, that's for sure.
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Offline DZ PLEASE

Re: People needing baptism, raised from the dead, etc.
« Reply #58 on: August 21, 2017, 01:00:00 PM »
Quote from: Lover of Truth on August 21, 2017, 12:32:07 PM
You were down thumbed 6 times, a sure sign the feeneyites cannot refute you.
Kinda like a pair of old slippers after a while. Of course if this were so sure, certain other conclusion hoppers would be vindicated as well.

Hey, I MUST be going gangbusters as well. "I'd like to thank the Academy…"
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Offline Lover of Truth

Re: People needing baptism, raised from the dead, etc.
« Reply #59 on: August 21, 2017, 01:06:52 PM »
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Kinda like a pair of old slippers after a while. Of course if this were so sure, certain other conclusion hoppers would be vindicated as well.

Hey, I MUST be going gangbusters as well. "I'd like to thank the Academy…"

The world would be a much better place if there were no schismatics, sodomites, feeneyites, pedophiles, heretics or apostates.   
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