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Re: People needing baptism, raised from the dead, etc.
« Reply #10 on: August 17, 2017, 12:32:25 PM »

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Anything that suits your erroneous beliefs you put much weight. 

But, continue to ridicule the other side   
What is "the other side"?

Our side believes that dogmas are the final word on a subject of prior confusion. We simply quote the clear dogmas as they are written. 

The "other side" believes that the theologians and Catholic writers interpret dogma, or at least they use that mix of theologians and other writers to conclude:

that for instance these two dogmas mean that Jews, Mohamedans, Hindus, Buddhist....etc can be saved by their belief in a rewarder god:

Pope Eugene IV, Council of Florence, “Cantate Domino,” 1441, ex cathedra:
“The Holy Roman Church firmly believes, professes and preaches that all those who are outside the Catholic Church, not only pagans but also Jews or heretics and schismatics, cannot share in eternal life and will go into the everlasting fire ..and that nobody can be saved, … even if he has shed blood in the name of Christ, unless he has persevered in the bosom and unity of the Catholic Church.”
 

Pope Innocent III, Fourth Lateran Council, Constitution 1, 1215, ex cathedra: “There is indeed one universal Church of the faithful, outside of which nobody at all is saved, …

Of course, to our side that conclusion is insane.


Re: People needing baptism, raised from the dead, etc.
« Reply #11 on: August 17, 2017, 12:39:57 PM »


Yes, yes, I know ... we all know what you are doing!   

Anything that suits your erroneous beliefs you put much weight.

But, continue to ridicule the other side   ;)
So, if you cut the crap, you're calling him a liar, opportunist, and pragmatist.


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Re: People needing baptism, raised from the dead, etc.
« Reply #12 on: August 17, 2017, 12:52:51 PM »
Anything that suits your erroneous beliefs you put much weight.

On the contrary, I look at the entire body of evidence objectively.  I've never condemned anyone for believing in BoD.  I've condemned Pelagianism, denial of EENS, modernist ecclesiology, and heretical denial of Trent's dogmatic teaching that the Sacraments are necessary for salvation.  I've taken note of the fact that many theologians believe in BoD, but it's clear from the evidence that there's no proof for this opinion and that it's just their personal opinion, an opinion with which I disagree.  I have no issues with someone believing in BoD provided that they do not simultaneously undermine EENS, promote heretical ecclesiology, advocate Pelagianism, and deny the necessity of the Sacraments (even mockingly deriding them in language identical to that of the Protestants).  So far only two BoDers on CI (Arvinger and Nishant) have met these criteria.


Re: People needing baptism, raised from the dead, etc.
« Reply #13 on: August 17, 2017, 01:35:28 PM »



To all of you ...


 uh huh!    :soapbox:

Re: People needing baptism, raised from the dead, etc.
« Reply #14 on: August 17, 2017, 01:48:20 PM »


To all of you ...


uh huh!    :soapbox:
Your credibility just vanished in a puff of childish. It does save further wasted time, so thanks for that.