Author Topic: ordinary vs extraordinary means of salvation (Read 57628 times)

Roman Catholic · « **Reply #15 on:** December 28, 2010, 12:37:02 AM »

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a water baptized Catholic

A novel Feeneyite distinction.

Deliveringit1 · « **Reply #16 on:** December 28, 2010, 08:52:09 AM »

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Your whole concept of infallibility, DI, is mistaken. This is a root problem with those infected by Feeneyism.

Bazz, so you hold fallible teachings,(much of which comes from theologians), as being more authoritative than infallible teachings(which comes from past Popes and past Church Councils).

Isn't a Catholic suppose to recognize infallible dogmatic teachings of the Church as something that one must accept and believe in? Therefore if any fallible teaching is put forth at some later date, then a Catholic can know that it is to be rejected.

Deliveringit1 · « **Reply #17 on:** December 28, 2010, 09:03:45 AM »

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a water baptized Catholic

A novel Feeneyite distinction.

Roman Catholic, you say its a novel Feeneyite distinction, but isn't Water Baptism an already established Dogmatic infallible teaching of the Church? Doesn't the Church already infallibly and dogmatically declare that Water Baptism is the only way by which a person can be brought into the Church? And doesn't the Church go on to infallibly and dogmatically declare that THERE IS NO SALVATION OUTSIDE THE CHURCH ???

Cristian · « **Reply #18 on:** December 28, 2010, 09:07:59 AM »

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a water baptized Catholic

A novel Feeneyite distinction.

Roman Catholic, you say its a novel Feeneyite distinction, but isn't Water Baptism an already established Dogmatic infallible teaching of the Church? Doesn't the Church already infallibly and dogmatically declare that Water Baptism is the only way by which a person can be brought into the Church? And doesn't the Church go on to infallibly and dogmatically declare that THERE IS NO SALVATION OUTSIDE THE CHURCH ???

First of all you have to prove sir that the terms "inside the Church" (outside ths Church) and "member of the Church" (non-member of the Church) mean the same thing...

Roman Catholic · « **Reply #19 on:** December 28, 2010, 09:23:51 AM »

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a water baptized Catholic

A novel Feeneyite distinction.

Roman Catholic, you say its a novel Feeneyite distinction, but isn't Water Baptism an already established Dogmatic infallible teaching of the Church? Doesn't the Church already infallibly and dogmatically declare that Water Baptism is the only way by which a person can be brought into the Church? And doesn't the Church go on to infallibly and dogmatically declare that THERE IS NO SALVATION OUTSIDE THE CHURCH ???

You said a "water baptized Catholic" --- but the Church has never spoken in those terms. The Church has never made a distinction calling some people "water baptized Catholics" and calling other people who become Catholics through baptism of blood, "blood Catholics". Catholics are Catholics.