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Offline trad123

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ordinary vs extraordinary means of salvation
« Reply #395 on: January 24, 2011, 09:08:12 AM »
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I see you have avoided answering my question to you - so I will try again..........................................

If Trent did not infallibly teach the absolute necessity of water baptism for sanctification, what did they infallibly teach?


It teaches that the necessity of baptism is in actuality or desire, just the same as St. Thomas:

http://www.newadvent.org/summa/4068.htm#article2

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Objection 3. Further, as stated above (1; 65, 4), the sacrament of Baptism is necessary for salvation. Now that is necessary "without which something cannot be" (Metaph. v). Therefore it seems that none can obtain salvation without Baptism.

Reply to Objection 3. The sacrament of Baptism is said to be necessary for salvation in so far as man cannot be saved without, at least, Baptism of desire; "which, with God, counts for the deed" (Augustine, Enarr. in Ps. 57).
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« Reply #396 on: January 24, 2011, 09:11:54 AM »
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It's useless to attempt to show St. Augustine did not teach BOD when St. Thomas quotes him in his Summa Theologica in support of this very doctrine, multiple times.


The point is that the OM was not unanimous. AND I can post St. Thomas saying that water was an absolute necessity.

Either way - please, feel free to post what the H you are defending - - - - -PLEASE QUOTE THE CHURCH'S DOCTRINE OF BOD.


http://www.newadvent.org/summa/4066.htm#article4

There's the article you think where he contradicts himself.

Here's the Catechism of the Council of Trent, McHugh/Callan, p. 179:

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Should any unforeseen accident make it impossible for adults to be washed in the salutary waters, their intention and determination to receive Baptism and their repentance for past sins, will avail them to grace and righteousness.
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« Reply #397 on: January 24, 2011, 09:13:30 AM »
I'm leaving for class, I'll continue this discussion later.
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