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Online Ladislaus

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Re: One Universal Church of the Faithful
« Reply #20 on: April 28, 2021, 06:29:13 AM »
Mother Angelica



At the video go to timestamp 48:20

Mother Angelica Live
ROAD TO EMMAUS

5/16/2000




Yes, this is the same thinking +Lefebvre expressed, that Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus means that everyone who is saved is saved BY the merits of Christ, whether they know it or not.  In other words, Karl Rahner's αnσnymσus Christianity.  Rahner said that same thing.  In fact, he was criticized by the more radical Modernists for including the stipulation that they must be saved by and through Christ.

THIS is THE heresy of our age.  I listen to people like Dr. David Anders on EWTN radio, and that guy is solidly Catholic on 95% of all his theology.  But then when EENS comes up or the necessity of the Sacraments for salvation, he goes Protestant heretic.

Traditional Catholics need to understand that this is THE theological error behind Vatican II and the V2 apostasy.

JP2 was solid on MOST things ... except that he was one of the biggest promoters of religious indifferentism in history.

If I were to be persuaded that non-Catholics could be saved, then I would make peace with the Novus Ordo, since then I'd believe the same things that all these people do.

Here Mother Angelica goes so far as to claim that EENS is HERESY.  So they have reinterpreted EENS dogma to mean the exact opposite of what it says.  That totally destroys all dogma in the Church, and hands the victory to the Modernists, whose big idea was that the understanding of dogmas can change over time.

Online Ladislaus

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Re: One Universal Church of the Faithful
« Reply #21 on: April 28, 2021, 06:34:59 AM »
Monsignor Fenton wrote a paper where he admitted that the term "faithful" refers only to the baptized and positively excludes catechumens.

So how then did he get around the dogmatic teaching that there's no salvation outside the Church OF THE FAITHFUL?

He claims that one can be INSIDE the Church of the Faithful without being one of the FAITHFUL.

I call this undigested hamburger ecclesiology.  Just as a hamburger enters the body but is not actually part of the body.  It's like a foreign substance in the body, a parasite that goes along for the ride to heaven.

That's how ridiculous this has become.

That is why the Church has to define EENS over and over again.  So now the Church will have to be more specific to condemn the Fentonian "interpretation" of No Salvation Outside the Church of the FAITHFUL.

This particular dogmatic definition comes THE closest to rendering BoD, BoD in the sense of SALVATION (vs. justification) heretical.  On that other thread I started about "Ladislausian soteriology" I explained that St. Amborse, for instance, believed that there's a BoD of justification vs. salvation.  Even that article from St. Benedict Center and the Dimonds feel that St. Ambrose is contradicting himself.  He's not.  He's distinguishing between justification "washing" and salvation.


Offline gladius_veritatis

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Re: One Universal Church of the Faithful
« Reply #22 on: April 28, 2021, 08:37:20 AM »
Yes, this is the same thinking +Lefebvre expressed, that Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus means that everyone who is saved is saved BY the merits of Christ, whether they know it or not...

THIS is THE heresy of our age.  I listen to people like Dr. David Anders on EWTN radio, and that guy is solidly Catholic on 95% of all his theology.  But then when EENS comes up or the necessity of the Sacraments for salvation, he goes Protestant heretic.

Traditional Catholics need to understand that this is THE theological error behind Vatican II and the V2 apostasy.

JP2 was solid on MOST things ... except that he was one of the biggest promoters of religious indifferentism in history.

Then there is this gem from the man I understand to be one of main heroes of what styles itself "the Resistance":

https://novusordowatch.org/2015/07/bishop-williamson-novus-ordo-mass/

https://inveritateblog.com/2015/07/29/christ-or-belial/

I was not paying attention to anything within Traddieland for several years.  Why bother?  However, this absolutely Modernist BOMB from 2015 should have caused Bp. Williamson to get universally roasted.  Apparently, it did not.

Re: One Universal Church of the Faithful
« Reply #23 on: April 28, 2021, 08:54:08 AM »
I got in trouble with Matthew in posting an article from Novus Ordo Watch. I hope you have more luck gladius.

Offline gladius_veritatis

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Re: One Universal Church of the Faithful
« Reply #24 on: April 28, 2021, 09:26:00 AM »
I got in trouble with Matthew in posting an article from Novus Ordo Watch. I hope you have more luck gladius.

Thanks for the heads up, RC.  Taking down the article/video, chastising me, etc., cannot undo what was said by Bp. Williamson on this occasion -- yikes! -- and "handling" it in such a manner would be rather Facebook-ian, eh?