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Offline josefamenendez

Re: One Universal Church of the Faithful
« Reply #25 on: April 28, 2021, 02:28:33 PM »
Actually the roasting has never stopped. I was there when +Williamson spoke to the woman who attended the NO Mass exclusively as she stated she had no other options.She was not familiar with tradition at all. No excuses, but I think he was addressing a level of incrementalism depending on where this particular woman was without turning her off completely. (I spoke to the woman afterwards and she was in tears anyway about what he said negatively about the new mass!).
I think he was walking the tightrope and slipped. He probably should have spoken with her privately and not addressed this on video.
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Offline gladius_veritatis

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Re: One Universal Church of the Faithful
« Reply #26 on: April 28, 2021, 05:21:18 PM »
Quote from: josefamenendez on April 28, 2021, 02:28:33 PM
Actually the roasting has never stopped. I was there when +Williamson spoke to the woman who attended the NO Mass exclusively as she stated she had no other options.She was not familiar with tradition at all. No excuses, but I think he was addressing a level of incrementalism depending on where this particular woman was without turning her off completely. (I spoke to the woman afterwards and she was in tears anyway about what he said negatively about the new mass!).
 
I think he was walking the tightrope and slipped. He probably should have spoken with her privately and not addressed this on video.

Slipped?  You are FAR too kind.  It was an endlessly rambling catastrophe!

Still, this thread has a different/separate topic.  I will address his Bıdɛn-esque debacle elsewhere.
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Offline trad123

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Re: One Universal Church of the Faithful
« Reply #27 on: April 28, 2021, 10:05:19 PM »
St. Robert Bellarmine, On the Church Militant (De Controversiis)


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CHAPTER II: On the Definition of the Church

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The Catholic teaching is that the Church is only one, not two, and that the body of men of the same Christian profession and of the same Sacraments gathered in communion is one and true, under the rule of legitimate pastors and especially of the one Vicar of Christ on Earth, the Roman Pontiff.

From such a definition it can be clearly understood which men pertain to the Church and which do not.

For there are three parts of this definition; the profession of the true faith, the communion of the Sacraments, and subjection to the legitimate pastor, the Roman Pontiff.

By the reasoning of the first all infidels and those who have never entered the Church are excluded, such as Jews, Turks, and Pagans; then those who were in the Church but left, such as heretics and apostates. By the reasoning of the second part, all Catechumens and excommunicates are excluded, because they have not been admitted to the communion of the Sacraments, these are sent out; by reasoning of the third, all schismatics are excluded, that is those who have the faith and the Sacraments, but are not under the legitimate pastor, and therefore profess the faith and receive the Sacraments outside of the Church. Yet, all others, even the base, wicked and impious are included.

This is the difference between our teaching and all others, that all others require external virtues to constitute someone in the Church, and for that reason they make the Church invisible; but even though we believe all virtues (e.g. faith, hope and charity and the rest), are discovered in the Church, still that someone could absolutely be called part of the true Church, on which the Scriptures speak, we do not think any internal virtue is required, but only the external profession of faith, as well as the communion of the Sacraments which is taken up in that sense. For the Church is a body of men that is just as visible and palpable as the body of the Roman people, or the Kingdom of France, or the Republic of Venice.



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Offline Struthio

Re: One Universal Church of the Faithful
« Reply #28 on: April 29, 2021, 12:51:35 AM »
Quote from: josefamenendez on April 28, 2021, 02:28:33 PM
Actually the roasting has never stopped. I was there when +Williamson spoke to the woman who attended the NO Mass exclusively as she stated she had no other options.She was not familiar with tradition at all. No excuses, but I think he was addressing a level of incrementalism depending on where this particular woman was without turning her off completely. (I spoke to the woman afterwards and she was in tears anyway about what he said negatively about the new mass!).
I think he was walking the tightrope and slipped. He probably should have spoken with her privately and not addressed this on video.

Did you make up the term "incrementalism"? Is it anything else than Conciliar BS?
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Offline Meg

Re: One Universal Church of the Faithful
« Reply #29 on: April 29, 2021, 03:00:38 PM »
I liked that part of the video where +W, just prior to when he told the woman that she could attend the NO, said:...."I know some will think that I'm committing trad heresy by saying this, but...." Or something very similar.

What is refreshing about +W is that he doesn't take orders, when it comes to what he thinks, from laymen. He's his own person, and some are not happy with that. Oh well.
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