ON THE FEENEYITE HERESY

Leonard Feeney SJ did not invent the heresy which denies Baptism of Desire and Baptism of Blood. It was alredy known to be a heresy propagated long before Feeney began to profess this heresy.

BAPTISM OF DESIRE IS DE FIDE

The denial of BOD was aleady known to be a heresy well before Fr. Feeney fell for this old heresy. In my reply to a Feeneyite along with its links to informative articles, you will find all you need in order to understand that BOD & BOB are defined doctrines of the universal & ordinary magisterium that must be believed with divine and Catholic faith.

Dear Feeneyite,

I have examined your entire exposition attempting to critique my position on Baptism of Desire. It is riddled with fallacious assumptions; such as your false attribution to me of an error on the point of necessity of precept vs. necessity of means. Another gross error you make is to equate the doctrine of Baptism of Desire, which pertains to the universal magisterium of the Church, with mere opinions that the Church has tolerated but never has taught or approved.

Before the doctrine of BOD would have been explicitly and universally set forth by the ordinary magisterium, it would have been permissible to hold a contrary opinion; but that is now and for many centuries no longer the case. BOD as well as BOB (explicitly professed in the Roman Martyrology) have been definitively set forth by the universal & ordinary magisterium, and are therefore infallible and must be believed with divine and Catholic faith. It has become universally defined by the magisterium in no small part, first; because it had been taught by St. Thomas Aquinas and other medieval Doctors, secondly; because the application of the dogma of Trent to this point by St. Alphonsus has been formally approved by Gregory XVI and by Pius IX, and has been explicitly taught by Pope Pius IX and Pope Pius X in their ordinary magisterium. Furthermore, the 1917 Code of Canon Law prescribed as a universal statute that deceased Catechumens are to be given a Catholic burial and "are to be counted among the bapitzed" (can. 1239). St. Pius X teaches that those who have been sanctified by baptism of desire are in the Church not as incorporated members, but in so far as they belong to "the soul of the Church". The basis for this teaching of St. Pius X is the doctrine of St. Robert Bellarmine who succinctly explains in what manner such catechumens are to be considered to belong to the soul of the Church. This distinction was already taught by St. Augustine.

Leonard Feeney SJ was not the originator of this heresy. The eminent late Nineteenth Century early 20th Century theologian, Francisco Marin-Sola OP, mentions that there have already been some heretics teaching this doctrine: “Certain heretics have affirmed that no adult can be saved without receiving baptism itself before he dies, however much he would burn with desire for it, and that it would do him no good unless he were washed with water."

The precise quotations from magisterial sources are presented in the two articles indicated below which more than sufficiently demonstrate beyond all shadow of doubt that Baptism of Desire and Baptism of Blood are infallible definitions of the Church which must be believed with divine and Catholic faith, under penalty of heresy and eternal damnation.

Fr. Paul Kramer

http://www.catholicessentials.net/baptismofdesire.htm

http://www.catholicapologetics.info/modernproblems/currenterrors/bapdesire.htm

Fr. Paul Kramer is far from being a credible authority in the Church. We need not Fr. Kramer to interpret for us after 2000 years, the infallible Church teaching on Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus. Besides, Fr. Kramer has already discredited himself with his peculiar belief on the two popes (apparently he is not a sedevacantist, after all), among other eccentricities.  

On the Feeneyite heresy, Fr. Framer is an expert, and understands it very well.  

Feeneyism is one of the more dangerous modern heresies, and it must be stopes before it spreads further, and contaminates more Catholics.

Fr. Kramer is merely witnessing to the infallible magisterium of the Catholic Church which has taught Baptism of Desire.  It is de fide.  Those who deny it are professing heresy.

Quote from: Ambrose

Fr. Kramer is merely witnessing to the infallible magisterium of the Catholic Church which has taught Baptism of Desire.  It is de fide.  Those who deny it are professing heresy.

Yes, yes Ambrose, we know you have this obsession against the sacraments and their necessity for salvation and we know you share this detestation of them with Fr. Kramer, Cardinal Cushing and all the Conciliar popes - we know this because you have  started dozens of threads against the necessity of the sacraments and championed the cause against them.

Does it not strike you as at least a bit odd, that you, who foolishly adhere to your "Salvation via No Sacrament At All" error and the fact that you cannot bring yourself to defend the necessity of the sacraments for salvation, are somehow related to each other?  

Do you really think that posting yet another thread denying the necessity of the sacraments for salvation helps you defend the necessity of the sacraments? Or does it not make more sense that the reason you cannot defend the necessity of the sacraments is because you repeat over and over and over and over again that they are not necessary?

+6 months and counting, still seeking an honest NSAAer - which you, verifiably, are not.

Will an honest NSAAer please step up and publicly admit that the sacraments are optional, that they are not necessary for salvation please?

I have very little hope that you will recant from this heresy, my goal now is to stop it from spreading further.  

To deny Baptism of Desire is heresy.  You should be living in fear for your eternal salvation.  Catholics are not allowed to believe heresy.  Heresy will sever you from the Church, outside of which there is no salvation.

Yet another.............

The eminent late Nineteenth Century early 20th Century theologian, Francisco Marin-Sola OP, mentions that there have already been some heretics teaching this doctrine: “Certain heretics have affirmed that no adult can be saved without receiving baptism itself before he dies, however much he would burn with desire for it, and that it would do him no good unless he were washed with water."

This quote actually exposes the BoDer lie that Father Feeney "invented" the idea that the Sacrament of Baptism is necessary for salvation, and Marin-Sola's allegation of heresy is nothing but his own private fantasy, just as it is yours, Ambrose.

You're right, stubborn, these people are diabolically obsessed with trying to prove the opposite of EENS and in trying to prove that the Sacrament of Baptism is not necessary for salvation.

Kramer's paragraph is nothing more than a cesspool of lies.

I was shocked when Fr. Kramer revealed his beliefs on salvation in The Devil's Final Battle.  Until then I thought Fr. Gruner's apostolate was perfect.  Oh well, it's still very good.

Quote from: Stubborn

Quote from: Ambrose

Fr. Kramer is merely witnessing to the infallible magisterium of the Catholic Church which has taught Baptism of Desire.  It is de fide.  Those who deny it are professing heresy.

Yes, yes Ambrose, we know you have this obsession against the sacraments and their necessity for salvation and we know you share this detestation of them with Fr. Kramer, Cardinal Cushing and all the Conciliar popes - we know this because you have  started dozens of threads against the necessity of the sacraments and championed the cause against them.

Does it not strike you as at least a bit odd, that you, who foolishly adhere to your "Salvation via No Sacrament At All" error and the fact that you cannot bring yourself to defend the necessity of the sacraments for salvation, are somehow related to each other?  

Do you really think that posting yet another thread denying the necessity of the sacraments for salvation helps you defend the necessity of the sacraments? Or does it not make more sense that the reason you cannot defend the necessity of the sacraments is because you repeat over and over and over and over again that they are not necessary?

+6 months and counting, still seeking an honest NSAAer - which you, verifiably, are not.

Will an honest NSAAer please step up and publicly admit that the sacraments are optional, that they are not necessary for salvation please?

I have very little hope that you will recant from this heresy, my goal now is to stop it from spreading further.  

To deny Baptism of Desire is heresy.  You should be living in fear for your eternal salvation.  Catholics are not allowed to believe heresy.  Heresy will sever you from the Church, outside of which there is no salvation.

Do not hold out hope that I will recant the teaching of Holy Mother the Church that without the sacrament of baptism, no one makes it to heaven. Not one soul. Not ever, and that Holy Mother never taught there is salvation outside of Her via NSAA.  

To deny the necessity of the sacraments is heresy.  You should be living in fear for your eternal salvation.  Catholics are not allowed to believe heresy.  Heresy will sever you from the Church, outside of which there is no salvation.

Did you forget when you yourslef posted that St. Alphonsus taught:
 
The heretics say that no sacrament is necessary, inasmuch as they hold that man is justified by faith alone, and that the sacraments only serve to excite and nourish this faith, which (as they say) can be equally excited and nourished by preaching.  But this is certainly false, and is condemned in the fifth, sixth, seventh, and eighth canons:  for as we know from the Scriptures, some of the sacraments are necessary (necessitate Medii) as a means without which salvation is impossible.

I, along with Holy Mother the Church, say that the sacrament of baptism is necessary in fact and desire (in voto) unto salvation, that is, the sacrament is not optional.

And for echoing that teaching of Holy Mother the Church, you, who profess the sacrament of baptism is optional, that is, not necessary unto salvation, claim I preach heresy.  

CANON V.-If any one saith, that baptism is optional, that is, not necessary unto salvation; let him be anathema.

It is as I and others have already said, you are verifiably dishonest.