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Offline Ladislaus

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ON THE FEENEYITE HERESY
« Reply #975 on: October 24, 2014, 05:27:38 AM »
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  • I'm trying to get clarification from Nishant on his principles.  He claims that something can't be heresy if the Church has failed to condemn it.



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    Re: ON THE FEENEYITE HERESY
    « Reply #976 on: August 03, 2017, 03:21:36 PM »
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  • ON THE FEENEYITE HERESY

    Leonard Feeney SJ did not invent the heresy which denies Baptism of Desire and Baptism of Blood. It was alredy known to be a heresy propagated long before Feeney began to profess this heresy.

    BAPTISM OF DESIRE IS DE FIDE

    The denial of BOD was aleady known to be a heresy well before Fr. Feeney fell for this old heresy. In my reply to a Feeneyite along with its links to informative articles, you will find all you need in order to understand that BOD & BOB are defined doctrines of the universal & ordinary magisterium that must be believed with divine and Catholic faith.

    Dear Feeneyite,

    I have examined your entire exposition attempting to critique my position on Baptism of Desire. It is riddled with fallacious assumptions; such as your false attribution to me of an error on the point of necessity of precept vs. necessity of means. Another gross error you make is to equate the doctrine of Baptism of Desire, which pertains to the universal magisterium of the Church, with mere opinions that the Church has tolerated but never has taught or approved.

    Before the doctrine of BOD would have been explicitly and universally set forth by the ordinary magisterium, it would have been permissible to hold a contrary opinion; but that is now and for many centuries no longer the case. BOD as well as BOB (explicitly professed in the Roman Martyrology) have been definitively set forth by the universal & ordinary magisterium, and are therefore infallible and must be believed with divine and Catholic faith. It has become universally defined by the magisterium in no small part, first; because it had been taught by St. Thomas Aquinas and other medieval Doctors, secondly; because the application of the dogma of Trent to this point by St. Alphonsus has been formally approved by Gregory XVI and by Pius IX, and has been explicitly taught by Pope Pius IX and Pope Pius X in their ordinary magisterium. Furthermore, the 1917 Code of Canon Law prescribed as a universal statute that deceased Catechumens are to be given a Catholic burial and "are to be counted among the bapitzed" (can. 1239). St. Pius X teaches that those who have been sanctified by baptism of desire are in the Church not as incorporated members, but in so far as they belong to "the soul of the Church". The basis for this teaching of St. Pius X is the doctrine of St. Robert Bellarmine who succinctly explains in what manner such catechumens are to be considered to belong to the soul of the Church. This distinction was already taught by St. Augustine.

    Leonard Feeney SJ was not the originator of this heresy. The eminent late Nineteenth Century early 20th Century theologian, Francisco Marin-Sola OP, mentions that there have already been some heretics teaching this doctrine: “Certain heretics have affirmed that no adult can be saved without receiving baptism itself before he dies, however much he would burn with desire for it, and that it would do him no good unless he were washed with water."

    The precise quotations from magisterial sources are presented in the two articles indicated below which more than sufficiently demonstrate beyond all shadow of doubt that Baptism of Desire and Baptism of Blood are infallible definitions of the Church which must be believed with divine and Catholic faith, under penalty of heresy and eternal damnation.

    Fr. Paul Kramer

    http://www.catholicessentials.net/baptismofdesire.htm

    http://www.catholicapologetics.info/modernproblems/currenterrors/bapdesire.htm
    This is the most viewed thread on the topic, I enjoyed re-reading it
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    Re: ON THE FEENEYITE HERESY
    « Reply #977 on: August 03, 2017, 07:09:23 PM »
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    Re: ON THE FEENEYITE HERESY
    « Reply #978 on: August 03, 2017, 08:08:35 PM »
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  • In all my life I have never met an incessant pusher of BOD & BOB, that was not hiding behind them while really wanting to push salvation by belief in a God that rewards, that Jєωs, Mohamedans, Hindus, Buddhist etc. can be saved without explicit belief in Chist and the Holy Trinity, without explicit desire to be a Catholic or baptized. Even when they insisted that they limit their belief to say BOD of the catechumen, upon further pressure I always found them to be liars. Those who incessantly push BOB and BOD are obsessed in their mission to infect others to believe that Jєωs, Mohamedans, Hindus, Buddhist etc. can be saved. They do not feel altogether convinced about their belief, so they seek company
    The Vatican II church - Assisting Souls to Hell Since 1962

    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. Mat 24:24

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    Re: ON THE FEENEYITE HERESY
    « Reply #979 on: August 07, 2017, 11:13:31 AM »
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  • In all my life I have never met an incessant pusher of BOD & BOB, that was not hiding behind them while really wanting to push salvation by belief in a God that rewards, that Jєωs, Mohamedans, Hindus, Buddhist etc. can be saved without explicit belief in Chist and the Holy Trinity, without explicit desire to be a Catholic or baptized. Even when they insisted that they limit their belief to say BOD of the catechumen, upon further pressure I always found them to be liars. Those who incessantly push BOB and BOD are obsessed in their mission to infect others to believe that Jєωs, Mohamedans, Hindus, Buddhist etc. can be saved. They do not feel altogether convinced about their belief, so they seek company
    It is against forum rules to post the same thing twice within 24 hours and you have posted this at least three times within 24 hours.  You must think it is a brilliant post, and of course it must be since it comes from your own mind, this shows the limits of your intelligence and your anti-Catholic spirit of making false accusations and hoping it sticks and the underhanded guilt by made up association tactic resorted to by the desperate who know they do not have a leg to stand on..
    "I receive Thee, redeeming Prince of my soul. Out of love for Thee have I studied, watched through many nights, and exerted myself: Thee did I preach and teach. I have never said aught against Thee. Nor do I persist stubbornly in my views. If I have ever expressed myself erroneously on this Sacrament, I submit to the judgement of the Holy Roman Church, in obedience of which I now part from this world." Saint Thomas Aquinas the greatest Doctor of the Church


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    Re: ON THE FEENEYITE HERESY
    « Reply #980 on: August 07, 2017, 01:39:50 PM »
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  • It is against forum rules to post the same thing twice within 24 hours and you have posted this at least three times within 24 hours.

    That never stopped you before.

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    Re: ON THE FEENEYITE HERESY
    « Reply #981 on: August 07, 2017, 01:41:00 PM »
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  • FR. EDUARDUS GENICOT, S.]., Theologiae Moralis Institutiones (Vol. II), Tractatus XII, 1902
    Baptism of the Spirit (flaminis) consists in an act of perfect charity or contrition, with which there is always an infusion of sanctifying grace connected...
    Both are called “of desire” (in voto)...; perfect charity, because it has always connected the desire, at least the implicit one, of receiving this sacrament, absolutely necessary for salvation.
    "I receive Thee, redeeming Prince of my soul. Out of love for Thee have I studied, watched through many nights, and exerted myself: Thee did I preach and teach. I have never said aught against Thee. Nor do I persist stubbornly in my views. If I have ever expressed myself erroneously on this Sacrament, I submit to the judgement of the Holy Roman Church, in obedience of which I now part from this world." Saint Thomas Aquinas the greatest Doctor of the Church

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    Re: ON THE FEENEYITE HERESY
    « Reply #982 on: August 08, 2017, 06:06:58 PM »
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  • It is against forum rules to post the same thing twice within 24 hours and you have posted this at least three times within 24 hours.  You must think it is a brilliant post, and of course it must be since it comes from your own mind, this shows the limits of your intelligence and your anti-Catholic spirit of making false accusations and hoping it sticks and the underhanded guilt by made up association tactic resorted to by the desperate who know they do not have a leg to stand on..
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    Re: ON THE FEENEYITE HERESY
    « Reply #983 on: August 09, 2017, 05:25:28 AM »
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  • Pope Innocent II (12th Century): From his letter "Apostolicam Sedem" to the Bishop of Cremona, "We assert without hesitation (on the authority of the holy Fathers Augustine and Ambrose) that the 'priest' whom you indicated (in your letter) had died without the water of baptism, because he persevered in the Faith of Holy Mother Church and in the confession of the name of Christ, was freed from original sin and attained the joys of the heavenly fatherland. Read [brother] in the eighth book of Augustine's City of God where among other things it is written: 'Baptism is administered invisibly to one whom not contempt of religion, but death excludes.' Read again the book also of the blessed Ambrose concerning the death of Valentinian where he says the same thing. Therefore, to questions concerning the dead, you should hold the opinions of the learned Fathers, and in your church you should join in prayers and you should have sacrifices offered to God for the 'priest' mentioned." (Denzinger 388)
    "I receive Thee, redeeming Prince of my soul. Out of love for Thee have I studied, watched through many nights, and exerted myself: Thee did I preach and teach. I have never said aught against Thee. Nor do I persist stubbornly in my views. If I have ever expressed myself erroneously on this Sacrament, I submit to the judgement of the Holy Roman Church, in obedience of which I now part from this world." Saint Thomas Aquinas the greatest Doctor of the Church