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Offline Tradycja

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« Reply #15 on: December 31, 2010, 07:15:09 AM »
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    • No he was not a heretic for believing BOD.  But you must remember that he died 37 years before the Council of Vienne which declared the following:

    Pope Clement V, Council of Vienne, 1311-1312, ex cathedra:  “Besides, one baptism which regenerates all who are baptized in Christ must be faithfully confessed by all just as ‘one God and one faith’ [Eph. 4:5], which celebrated in water in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit we believe to be commonly the perfect remedy for salvation for adults as for children.”

    He also, of course, died before Florence and Trent.   Therefore, one actually could say that we DO know MORE than St. Thomas, due to the further Papal clarification that the Church was given after his death.
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    « Reply #16 on: December 31, 2010, 07:29:20 AM »
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    No he was not a heretic for believing BOD.



    But we are heretics if we believe what St Thomas taught?
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    « Reply #17 on: December 31, 2010, 07:31:12 AM »
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    • Did I ever say in any of these threads that you were a heretic?
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    « Reply #18 on: December 31, 2010, 07:33:26 AM »
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    • Since you say that you believe what St. Thomas taught do you agree with the following statement?

    St. Thomas, Summa Theologica:  “After grace had been revealed, both the learned and simple folk are bound to explicit faith in the mysteries of Christ, chiefly as regards those which are observed throughout the Church, and publicly proclaimed, such as the articles which refer to the Incarnation, of which we have spoken above.”  (St. Thomas Aquinas, Summa Theologica, Pt. II-II, Q. 2., A. 7.)
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    « Reply #19 on: December 31, 2010, 07:36:36 AM »
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    Did I ever say in any of these threads that you were a heretic?


    I don't know everything you said in all these threads; nor do I know if you believe it, but did not say it yet; that's why I am asking.
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    « Reply #20 on: December 31, 2010, 07:43:10 AM »
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    Since you say that you believe what St. Thomas taught do you agree with the following statement?

    St. Thomas, Summa Theologica:  “After grace had been revealed, both the learned and simple folk are bound to explicit faith in the mysteries of Christ, chiefly as regards those which are observed throughout the Church, and publicly proclaimed, such as the articles which refer to the Incarnation, of which we have spoken above.”  (St. Thomas Aquinas, Summa Theologica, Pt. II-II, Q. 2., A. 7.)


    Yes, and in the last sentence of that paragraph from the Summa which you omitted.


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    « Reply #21 on: December 31, 2010, 07:48:44 AM »
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    • Doesn't change much:

    "As to other minute points in reference to the articles of the Incarnation, men have been bound to believe them more or less explicitly according to each one's state and office."

    The Holy Office in 1703 said the same thing--->  Bare minimum knowledge required is the Trinity and the Incarnation.
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    « Reply #22 on: December 31, 2010, 08:09:59 AM »
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    Did I ever say in any of these threads that you were a heretic?


    I don't know everything you said in all these threads; nor do I know if you believe it, but did not say it yet; that's why I am asking.



    Do you  think St Thomas believed and taught heresy?

    Do you believe we are heretics if we believe what St Thomas taught in The Summa regarding Baptism of Desire?
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    « Reply #23 on: December 31, 2010, 08:38:41 AM »
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    It wasn't until I became a Feeneyite that I understood the SSPX's crusade against modernism.  In other words, becoming a Feeneyite made me an SSPX sympathizer.   Before that I thought the SSPX was just "disobedient".   The SSPX fights against modernism, but the biggest manifestation of modernism was the persecution of Fr. Feeney and the Dogma.  

    Matthew, you and SSPX supporters should realize who your real friends are------> Feeneyites.  


    With friends like the Feeneyites, they wouldn't brag about it.
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    « Reply #24 on: December 31, 2010, 08:07:00 PM »
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    • Being the "devil's advocate" here...

    You know, Saint Thomas Aquinas said he wanted his books BURNED because of the error that he thought they could contain....

    Something to ponder.
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    « Reply #25 on: December 31, 2010, 10:44:11 PM »
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    Being the "devil's advocate" here...

    You know, Saint Thomas Aquinas said he wanted his books BURNED because of the error that he thought they could contain....

    Something to ponder.


    Humility, what would we do without those Saints.  
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    « Reply #26 on: January 01, 2011, 10:19:04 AM »
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    • Saint Augustine was the one that wanted his books burned because of error.

    Saint Thomas Aquinas also wanted them burned, but that was after he saw Jesus in the Blessed Sacrament, and said that none of his writings even mattered after he saw Him.

    Saints are not infallible. The Church, however, cannot make mistakes, and therefore, we must listen to what has been infallibly pronounced over what some saints have said. I'm sure they would agree.
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    « Reply #27 on: January 07, 2011, 10:00:56 AM »
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    • What's the difference between BOD and BOB?

    Does not the unbaptized one desire to be baptized who is about to be martyred?
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    « Reply #28 on: January 07, 2011, 10:05:02 AM »
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    Being the "devil's advocate" here...

    You know, Saint Thomas Aquinas said he wanted his books BURNED because of the error that he thought they could contain....

    Something to ponder.


    Pondered-he is the only Angelic Doctor and one that is cited the most in doctrine, esp by Leo XIII, Pius X,etc,etc....so, not infallible, but seems to be held in high regard  and I have never heard of any of his books burned nor on Index...
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    « Reply #29 on: January 07, 2011, 10:09:34 AM »
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    It wasn't until I became a Feeneyite that I understood the SSPX's crusade against modernism.  In other words, becoming a Feeneyite made me an SSPX sympathizer.   Before that I thought the SSPX was just "disobedient".   The SSPX fights against modernism, but the biggest manifestation of modernism was the persecution of Fr. Feeney and the Dogma.  

    Matthew, you and SSPX supporters should realize who your real friends are------> Feeneyites.  


    With friends like the Feeneyites, they wouldn't brag about it.


    I'm a Feeneyite, proud of it.

    Folks seem to place too much value on various learned saints against infallible declarations as though the saints were infallible, as though their authority overides infallible Papal declarations.

    Don't be behind the times.

    Get with the times, Roma Locuta Est – Causa Finita Est - (Rome has spoken, the case is closed.) There is no salvation outside the Church.
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