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Offline Stubborn

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NovusOrdoWatch on EENS - Invincible Ignorance
« Reply #15 on: April 10, 2015, 11:12:47 AM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus
    Oh, he also argues that perfect contrition puts one into a state of justification.  But perfect contrition cannot remit Original Sin, which is not a personal fault.  Perfect contrition (combined with receiving Confession at least in voto) only works for those who have also had Original Sin remitted in Baptism.

    Here's another serious problem for BoD.  BoD theorists admit that one cannot have access to the other Sacraments without the CHARACTER of Baptism (Sacramental Baptism).  This Novus Ordo Watch buffoon claims that the desire for Confession (at least he admits that it's necessary) would be implicit in a combination of perfect contrition and desiring to do whatever God wants.  Yet this person CANNOT receive Confession since he has not been baptized.


    Yes, true! Reminds me of:

    Quote from: Fr. Feeney

    I have said that a Baptism-of-Desire Catholic is not a member of the Church. He cannot be prayed for after death as one of "the faithful departed." Were he to be revivified immediately after death — were he to come to life again — he would not be allowed to receive Holy Eucharist or any of the other Sacraments until he was baptized by water. Now, if he can get into the Church Triumphant without Baptism of Water, it is strange that he cannot get into the Church Militant without it.
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    "But Peter and the apostles answering, said: We ought to obey God, rather than men." - Acts 5:29

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    Offline Alcuin

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    « Reply #16 on: April 16, 2015, 06:11:34 AM »
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    Exactly, Pope Pius XI emphasized this clearly in Mortalium Animos:

    Quote from: Pope Pius XI, Mortalium Animos
    11. Furthermore, in this one Church of Christ no man can be or remain who does not accept, recognize and obey the authority and supremacy of Peter and his legitimate successors.


    I haven't seen this quote in some time, but it's absolutely KEY.  It completely debunks the idea that one can be IN the Church without being a member.  Notice, it does NOT say that one cannot be an "actual member" of the Church without accepting, recognizing, and obeying the authority of Peter and his successors.  It says that one cannot be IN the Church.  This destroys the Fentonian novelty of being in the Church without being a member.  It says that if you do not recognize the Pope then you are not IN the Church.  This quote is an absolute dagger in the heart of Fentonism.



    And don't forget this one:

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    For since the mystical body of Christ, in the same manner as His physical body, is one, compacted and fitly joined together, it were foolish and out of place to say that the mystical body is made up of members which are disunited and scattered abroad: whosoever therefore is not united with the body is no member of it, neither is he in communion with Christ its head.

    Pius XI, Mortalium Animos, § 10
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    « Reply #17 on: April 19, 2015, 09:28:48 AM »
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    • It is fascinating just how these folks over at Novus Ordo Watch are indistinquishable from the Novus Ordo crowd on the fundamental issue of salvation.
    Considering that this rewriting of the doctrine of exclusive salvation, is the lynchpin of the whole Novus Ordo theology and its worst heresies. Ecuмenism, Religious Freedom, all of the Pagans, Jews, and religious oddities are connected to the Church now.
    Generally speaking, these sedevacantists are the folks who claim to be preserving the Catholic religion.
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