Today was when Pope Francis met with sɛҳuąƖly abused victims of church clerics.

Two of them were Irish women.

Today's RTE's radio news in Ireland reported on the meeting; Mass, breakfast and then one by one meetings with the Pope.

One of the victim's Marie Kane was interviewed on 1 o'clock news. She said she lost her faith in the Church because of the attacks and the cover ups and movements of paedophile clergy around from one place to another. She said her two children, 14 and 18 had also lost faith. At the end of her interview she said she doubted she would ever get her faith back. She then said that she told the Pope she did not think she would ever go back to the Church. She said he told her:

'You don't need to be in the Church, you are part of the Church. You don't need to be inside to be part of of God's family.'

Marie Kane said the Pope put a lot of thought into their conversation.

So, it seems we can all stay at home next Sunday and have nothing to do with the Church and its sacraments and still be in the Church as part of God's family. Bet you never read that in the small print of the Trent catechism!

Now look at this, put up by Voris a week ago.

http://www.churchmilitant.tv/daily/?today=2014-06-30

Quote: " There are those who believe you can have a personal, direct, immediate relationship, with Jesus Christ outside of the Communion and the mediation of the Church. These are dangerous and harmful temptations."

Today then, Pope Francis was telling these victims of clergy sex abuse that they can.  Is this man out of his mind or is he trying to be 'nice' to everyone? What is going on? Should we let Voris know?

Sorry, but that sounds like almost every BoDer on this board.  You can be part of the Church without being in the Church, the invisibly visible non-actual members thing they have going on.

Well put!

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Quote: " There are those who believe you can have a personal, direct, immediate relationship, with Jesus Christ outside of the Communion and the mediation of the Church. These are dangerous and harmful temptations."

"Dangerous and harmful temptations"?  How about HERESY?

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Today then, Pope Francis was telling these victims of clergy sex abuse that they can.  Is this man out of his mind or is he trying to be 'nice' to everyone? What is going on? Should we let Voris know?

Voris won't touch anything having to do with a papal claimant with a 10-ft. pole.

Of course the problem is that this is a she said he said thing where we don't know the exact words of Francis.

Talk about cutting the feet from under Voris. Somebody should let him know francis has made hin look foolish quoting him for his daily talk, if you know what I mean.

As for Marie Kean, she was very explicit in telling us what the Pope said, those were his very words. You can take it they were the exact words he used. How could she possibly have got the answer wrong. Pity I havent a link to her interview. Do not know if you can get RTE player News july 7th. If you heard her you would know she knows what she heard.

http://www.rte.ie/radio1/news-at-one/

Talk starts at 10 minutes and statemenjt is at 17 minutes.

I wonder if Voris is sincere about not touching the Papal Claimant or whether it's because he'd lose 95% of his audience and therefore 95% of his revenue stream if he started to go after Francis.  He's gone after one bishop after another for condoning ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity but turns a blind eye to Francis when he does the same.

Sorry, but that sounds like almost every BoDer on this board.  You can be part of the Church without being in the Church, the invisibly visible non-actual members thing they have going on.

Nothing different from the ones around who believe that a person can be an "anonymous Christian" and belong invisibly to the True Church of Christ, meaning that any "good willed" Muslim can actually be a "Catholic" without knowing it, as if this was ever possible. As a result, the Muslim can be saved as a Muslim, Hindu as a Hindu, Buddhist as a Buddhist, Jew as a Jew, etc, without needing to explicitly and visibly convert to Catholicism before death. What possible objection can they offer against these words or the Assisi Prayers? There is surely a contradiction.

Funny, you guys keep saying this stuff, and granted I haven't read every post on this board, but have never seen it said as you keep saying.

The only people saying this stuff is  YOUR POPE.  

If you only knew how foolish you all look when you keep on accusing but always look the other way when it comes to YOUR POPE saying exactly that.  I am beginning to think you are all brain washed.  

It is not only the Pope, unfortunately.

The doctrine of the Church also recognizes implicit baptism of desire. This consists in doing the will of God. God knows all men and He knows that amongst Protestants, Muslims, Buddhists and in the whole of humanity there are men of good will. They receive the grace of baptism without knowing it, but in an effective way. In this way they become part of the Church.

The error consists in thinking that they are saved by their religion. They are saved in their religion but not by it. There is no Buddhist church in heaven, no Protestant church. This is perhaps hard to accept, but it is the truth. I did not found the Church, but rather Our Lord the Son of God. As priests we must state the truth.

And the Church has always taught that you have people who will be in heaven, who are in the state of grace, who have been saved without knowing the Catholic Church. We know this. And yet, how is it possible if you cannot be saved outside the Church? It is absolutely true that they will be saved through the Catholic Church because they will be united to Christ, to the Mystical Body of Christ, which is the Catholic Church. It will, however, remain invisible, because this visible link is impossible for them. Consider a Hindu in Tibet who has no knowledge of the Catholic Church. He lives according to his conscience and to the laws which God has put into his heart. He can be in the state of grace, and if he dies in this state of grace, he will go to heaven.

It is not only the Pope, unfortunately.

Yes, it's also 95% of all Traditional Catholics.  I find it incredibly ironic that it's the sedevacantists in particular who are most adamant in undermining EENS.  Yet I see no other charge of heresy that might stick to the V2 Papal Claimants OTHER THAN DENYING EENS.  So if the V2 Popes are manifest heretics on the grounds of EENS denial, then so are the sedevacantists manifest heretics and therefore not Catholics.  V2 Popes and (almost all) sedevacantists hold the VERY SAME EENS-DENYING ECCLESIOLOGY, i.e. they are all guity of the same "heresy".  By the same measure that you measure out are you also measured.