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Traditional Catholic Faith => Crisis in the Church => The Feeneyism Ghetto => Topic started by: cassini on July 07, 2014, 02:29:13 PM
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Today was when Pope Francis met with sɛҳuąƖly abused victims of church clerics.
Two of them were Irish women.
Today's RTE's radio news in Ireland reported on the meeting; Mass, breakfast and then one by one meetings with the Pope.
One of the victim's Marie Kane was interviewed on 1 o'clock news. She said she lost her faith in the Church because of the attacks and the cover ups and movements of paedophile clergy around from one place to another. She said her two children, 14 and 18 had also lost faith. At the end of her interview she said she doubted she would ever get her faith back. She then said that she told the Pope she did not think she would ever go back to the Church. She said he told her:
'You don't need to be in the Church, you are part of the Church. You don't need to be inside to be part of of God's family.'
Marie Kane said the Pope put a lot of thought into their conversation.
So, it seems we can all stay at home next Sunday and have nothing to do with the Church and its sacraments and still be in the Church as part of God's family. Bet you never read that in the small print of the Trent catechism!
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Sorry, but that sounds like almost every BoDer on this board. You can be part of the Church without being in the Church, the invisibly visible non-actual members thing they have going on.
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Now look at this, put up by Voris a week ago.
http://www.churchmilitant.tv/daily/?today=2014-06-30
Quote: " There are those who believe you can have a personal, direct, immediate relationship, with Jesus Christ outside of the Communion and the mediation of the Church. These are dangerous and harmful temptations."
Today then, Pope Francis was telling these victims of clergy sex abuse that they can. Is this man out of his mind or is he trying to be 'nice' to everyone? What is going on? Should we let Voris know?
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Quote: " There are those who believe you can have a personal, direct, immediate relationship, with Jesus Christ outside of the Communion and the mediation of the Church. These are dangerous and harmful temptations."
"Dangerous and harmful temptations"? How about HERESY?
Today then, Pope Francis was telling these victims of clergy sex abuse that they can. Is this man out of his mind or is he trying to be 'nice' to everyone? What is going on? Should we let Voris know?
Voris won't touch anything having to do with a papal claimant with a 10-ft. pole.
Of course the problem is that this is a she said he said thing where we don't know the exact words of Francis.
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Sorry, but that sounds like almost every BoDer on this board. You can be part of the Church without being in the Church, the invisibly visible non-actual members thing they have going on.
Well put!
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Pope Francis telling people they do not need to be in the Church can be likened to the time when Simon Peter, the first Pope, used his sword to cut off the ear of the servant Malchus (John 18:10). Jorge Francis has cut off the ears of people from hearing the truths they need to believe in order to gain eternal salvation.
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Quote: " There are those who believe you can have a personal, direct, immediate relationship, with Jesus Christ outside of the Communion and the mediation of the Church. These are dangerous and harmful temptations."
"Dangerous and harmful temptations"? How about HERESY?
Today then, Pope Francis was telling these victims of clergy sex abuse that they can. Is this man out of his mind or is he trying to be 'nice' to everyone? What is going on? Should we let Voris know?
Voris won't touch anything having to do with a papal claimant with a 10-ft. pole.
Of course the problem is that this is a she said he said thing where we don't know the exact words of Francis.
Talk about cutting the feet from under Voris. Somebody should let him know francis has made hin look foolish quoting him for his daily talk, if you know what I mean.
As for Marie Kean, she was very explicit in telling us what the Pope said, those were his very words. You can take it they were the exact words he used. How could she possibly have got the answer wrong. Pity I havent a link to her interview. Do not know if you can get RTE player News july 7th. If you heard her you would know she knows what she heard.
http://www.rte.ie/radio1/news-at-one/
Talk starts at 10 minutes and statemenjt is at 17 minutes.
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The contradiction doesn't surprise me. Didn't Pius X warn us about these Modernist contradictions?
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I wonder if Voris is sincere about not touching the Papal Claimant or whether it's because he'd lose 95% of his audience and therefore 95% of his revenue stream if he started to go after Francis. He's gone after one bishop after another for condoning ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity but turns a blind eye to Francis when he does the same.
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Michael Voris
Is he intellectually dishonest, tinged with subtle malice against seeing what's in front of his eyes for monetary sustainability? Or is he internalizing his awareness of holding contradictory beliefs??? The internalization leading to hope that he is the doorway to the unwary and dispersed Catholic who come across Voris as their initial entrance to the Crisis in the Catholic Church. And afterwards learn more about the Faith (on their own) into developing a complete picture. Who knows other than Voris and perhaps his inner circle???
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Sorry, but that sounds like almost every BoDer on this board. You can be part of the Church without being in the Church, the invisibly visible non-actual members thing they have going on.
Nothing different from the ones around who believe that a person can be an "anonymous Christian" and belong invisibly to the True Church of Christ, meaning that any "good willed" Muslim can actually be a "Catholic" without knowing it, as if this was ever possible. As a result, the Muslim can be saved as a Muslim, Hindu as a Hindu, Buddhist as a Buddhist, Jew as a Jew, etc, without needing to explicitly and visibly convert to Catholicism before death. What possible objection can they offer against these words or the Assisi Prayers? There is surely a contradiction.
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Funny, you guys keep saying this stuff, and granted I haven't read every post on this board, but have never seen it said as you keep saying.
The only people saying this stuff is YOUR POPE.
If you only knew how foolish you all look when you keep on accusing but always look the other way when it comes to YOUR POPE saying exactly that. I am beginning to think you are all brain washed.
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Funny, you guys keep saying this stuff, and granted I haven't read every post on this board, but have never seen it said as you keep saying.
The only people saying this stuff is YOUR POPE.
If you only knew how foolish you all look when you keep on accusing but always look the other way when it comes to YOUR POPE saying exactly that. I am beginning to think you are all brain washed.
It is not only the Pope, unfortunately.
The doctrine of the Church also recognizes implicit baptism of desire. This consists in doing the will of God. God knows all men and He knows that amongst Protestants, Muslims, Buddhists and in the whole of humanity there are men of good will. They receive the grace of baptism without knowing it, but in an effective way. In this way they become part of the Church.
The error consists in thinking that they are saved by their religion. They are saved in their religion but not by it. There is no Buddhist church in heaven, no Protestant church. This is perhaps hard to accept, but it is the truth. I did not found the Church, but rather Our Lord the Son of God. As priests we must state the truth.
And the Church has always taught that you have people who will be in heaven, who are in the state of grace, who have been saved without knowing the Catholic Church. We know this. And yet, how is it possible if you cannot be saved outside the Church? It is absolutely true that they will be saved through the Catholic Church because they will be united to Christ, to the Mystical Body of Christ, which is the Catholic Church. It will, however, remain invisible, because this visible link is impossible for them. Consider a Hindu in Tibet who has no knowledge of the Catholic Church. He lives according to his conscience and to the laws which God has put into his heart. He can be in the state of grace, and if he dies in this state of grace, he will go to heaven.
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I believe you must be united to the Church that Christ founded and be in the state of grace to be saved.
I will admit that I do not know who is united because God can unite a person at the very last second of their life and it is not up to us to decide. This is the way I was taught.
I heard this story once about a women who was so distraught because her husband jumped off a bridge thereby committing ѕυιcιdє. The priest was trying to console her and said, something like this to her. "Between the time he jumped, until he actually died is quite awhile in God's time, and no one knows how God worked in his soul." The point that I got was, this priest was not saying he saved his soul as YOUR POPE says, but what he was saying is, WE, HUMANS DO NOT KNOW, HOW GOD WAS WORKING IN HIS SOUL DURING THIS TIME PERIOD.
Your problem and your kind, are so eager to destroy any hope. You all seem to glory in the idea of damnation.
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It is not only the Pope, unfortunately.
Yes, it's also 95% of all Traditional Catholics. I find it incredibly ironic that it's the sedevacantists in particular who are most adamant in undermining EENS. Yet I see no other charge of heresy that might stick to the V2 Papal Claimants OTHER THAN DENYING EENS. So if the V2 Popes are manifest heretics on the grounds of EENS denial, then so are the sedevacantists manifest heretics and therefore not Catholics. V2 Popes and (almost all) sedevacantists hold the VERY SAME EENS-DENYING ECCLESIOLOGY, i.e. they are all guity of the same "heresy". By the same measure that you measure out are you also measured.
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I pray someday you will stop listening to organizations like The Saint Benedict Center, Dimond Bros, and Fr. Feeney writings and begin to believe in the doctrine of No Salvation Outside the Church as the Church teaches it.
Here's a quotes for you... "You will be judged as you judge"
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Funny, you guys keep saying this stuff, and granted I haven't read every post on this board, but have never seen it said as you keep saying.
The only people saying this stuff is YOUR POPE.
If you only knew how foolish you all look when you keep on accusing but always look the other way when it comes to YOUR POPE saying exactly that. I am beginning to think you are all brain washed.
Myrna is oh so very right here! Pope Francis is the one saying that atheists can go to Heaven and that he doesn't believe in a Catholic God.
The Novus Ordo, at the very core (i.e., in the actual docuмents of Vatican II) has renounced EENS.
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I pray someday you will stop listening to organizations like The Saint Benedict Center, Dimond Bros, and Fr. Feeney writings and begin to believe in the doctrine of No Salvation Outside the Church as the Church teaches it.
Here's a quotes for you... "You will be judged as you judge"
Please do not be too unforgiving of Saint Benedict Center, which has been fighting Modernism way before Vatican II, the SSPX, the CMRI....
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He cannot have God for his Father who has not the Church for his mother.- St. Cyprian
There is absolutely no salvation outside the Roman Catholic Church. - Pope Innocent III
And on and on and on and on the Church teaches that unless before the close of their lives they shall have entered into the Church, they can never be partakers of eternal life, but are to go into the eternal fire 'prepared for the devil, and his angels. - Pope Eugene IV
Such a dogmatic statement is EENS that "it is the most certain knowledge that men have, more certain than metaphysical principles, or mathematical formulas, or historical accounts. It is the revelation and proposition of God Himself.
The dogma EENS rules out the possibility of simple invincible ignorance concerning the matter of salvation; those who die in ignorance of the Church as the only course of salvific grace must be adjudged to have been culpably so. In a word, they did not know because they did not want to know." - Fr. Wathen
The Popes cannot win with the libs - either they preach lies and give hope to those outside the Church, which the libs denounce as being wrong - or the popes destroy all hope of salvation outside the Church and the libs say the popes don't really mean it.
Ever heard the saying: "Good people don't make it to heaven, God's people do."
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I pray someday you will stop listening to organizations like The Saint Benedict Center, Dimond Bros, and Fr. Feeney writings and begin to believe in the doctrine of No Salvation Outside the Church as the Church teaches it.
Here's a quotes for you... "You will be judged as you judge"
Please do not be too unforgiving of Saint Benedict Center, which has been fighting Modernism way before Vatican II, the SSPX, the CMRI....
In truth, I only base my opinion about Saint Benedict Center, because the people who boast about It, I've noticed have a poor opinion of sedevantism, yet they are all sedevacantist but don't have the back bone to say it.
In truth again, prior to VII, SSPX and CMRI the true popes have said plenty against the sin of Modernism.
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I pray someday you will stop listening to organizations like The Saint Benedict Center, Dimond Bros, and Fr. Feeney writings and begin to believe in the doctrine of No Salvation Outside the Church as the Church teaches it.
Here's a quotes for you... "You will be judged as you judge"
Please do not be too unforgiving of Saint Benedict Center, which has been fighting Modernism way before Vatican II, the SSPX, the CMRI....
In truth, I only base my opinion about Saint Benedict Center, because the people who boast about It, I've noticed have a poor opinion of sedevantism, yet they are all sedevacantist but don't have the back bone to say it.
In truth again, prior to VII, SSPX and CMRI the true popes have said plenty against the sin of Modernism.
It is unfortunate that most people put in the same level the authentic "feeneyites" with the Dimond Brothers and those alike. Here is something I wrote to Nishant in another thread:
I don't know how familiar are you with the real "feeneyites", this is the Saint Benedict Center in NH. It seems that your version of "feeneyites" comes more from the Dimond Brothers and those alike, which propaganda tend to be more appealing to wounded souls fueled with anger and resentment, instead of a sincere zeal for souls. It is unfortunate that people always associate followers of Fr. feeney with such a bizarre group. But this is the official position of the Saint Benedict Center, the genuine and real "feeneyites"as far as BOD and BOB (which are not infallible) is concerned:
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"Without contradicting the thrice defined Dogma, “No Salvation Outside the Catholic Church”, and the infallible teaching of the Council of Trent, how can one define the expression baptism of desire?
Answer: The following definition of baptism of desire can be made which will be totally consistent with the infallible teaching of the Council of Trent and with the thrice defined dogma of “No Salvation Outside the Catholic Church”. This definition of baptism of desire goes as follows:
In its proper meaning, this consists of an act of perfect contrition or perfect love [that is Charity, which necessarily implies that one has the True Faith], and the simultaneous desire for baptism. It does not imprint an indelible character on the soul and the obligation to receive Baptism by water remains".
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Baptism of Blood only could apply to catechumens who have and professes the Faith in Christ and His Church. A person who is ignorant of Christ and His Church (whether culpably or not) cannot possibly receive BOB, since an open confession of the true Faith and of the true Church is indispensable for martyrdom.
"Feeneyites" are actively working towards the salvation of souls and the evangelization, or better said, re - evangelization of America. We have a VERY active apostolate which focuses on:
1. The propagation and defense of Catholic dogma — especially extra ecclesiam nulla salus and
2. The conversion of America to the one, true Church.
There have been many conversions, and as a matter of fact, a community of more than 300 souls has been formed and being expanded in NH. Hopefully, more communities are formed throughout the country. Things are not as easy in this country to just go and "water" baptized souls around. It is a process. We are busy trying to spread the Faith by improving techniques of massive media communication so more souls can be reached, instead of complaining unceasingly and bitterly about Vatican II, which is what most traditionalists do. We know that the real issue is the denial of EENS, instead of Vatican II. Therefore Saint Benedict Center (and the genuine feeneyite communities) have canonical status and are in full communion with Rome. Why would the Church do that if "feeneyites" were indeed heretics? Canonical status was granted by the Church without the need of watering down our strict interpretation of EENS.
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Funny, you guys keep saying this stuff, and granted I haven't read every post on this board, but have never seen it said as you keep saying.
The only people saying this stuff is YOUR POPE.
If you only knew how foolish you all look when you keep on accusing but always look the other way when it comes to YOUR POPE saying exactly that. I am beginning to think you are all brain washed.
Myrna is oh so very right here! Pope Francis is the one saying that atheists can go to Heaven and that he doesn't believe in a Catholic God.
The Novus Ordo, at the very core (i.e., in the actual docuмents of Vatican II) has renounced EENS.
And the St Benedict Center is part of the Novus Ordo Church.
Like I said in another thread: Novus Ordo Feeneyites.
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In its proper meaning, this consists of an act of perfect contrition or perfect love [that is Charity, which necessarily implies that one has the True Faith], and the simultaneous desire for baptism. It does not imprint an indelible character on the soul and the obligation to receive Baptism by water remains".
The question becomes, and those of Bod. ,,,
"What happens to the Soul that dies in that position", ?
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Funny, you guys keep saying this stuff, and granted I haven't read every post on this board, but have never seen it said as you keep saying.
The only people saying this stuff is YOUR POPE.
If you only knew how foolish you all look when you keep on accusing but always look the other way when it comes to YOUR POPE saying exactly that. I am beginning to think you are all brain washed.
Myrna is oh so very right here! Pope Francis is the one saying that atheists can go to Heaven and that he doesn't believe in a Catholic God.
The Novus Ordo, at the very core (i.e., in the actual docuмents of Vatican II) has renounced EENS.
And the St Benedict Center is part of the Novus Ordo Church.
Like I said in another thread: Novus Ordo Feeneyites.
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In its proper meaning, this consists of an act of perfect contrition or perfect love [that is Charity, which necessarily implies that one has the True Faith], and the simultaneous desire for baptism. It does not imprint an indelible character on the soul and the obligation to receive Baptism by water remains".
The question becomes, and those of Bod. ,,,
"What happens to the Soul that dies in that position", ?
Well...according to Fr. Feeney, it is actually quite irrelevant since only God knows if such a soul exists. The only divine revelation known to us humans is that everybody with no exception, needs to be a formal member of the Catholic Church (this is, the Body of Christ) in order to go to Heaven and avoid Hell. One can only become part of the Church through Baptism and in 2014, there is only one known Baptism (that of water and the Ghost).
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Baptism of Blood only could apply to catechumens who have and professes the Faith in Christ and His Church. A person who is ignorant of Christ and His Church (whether culpably or not) cannot possibly receive BOB, since an open confession of the true Faith and of the true Church is indispensable for martyrdom.
Wouldn t you say that by definition a Catechumen is unbaptized, and no matter what his disposition was toward the Church , that he is destined for hell , if in fact he shed his blood for Christ, in that state. ?
Question... Are you a member of SBC, and considered a "Feeneyite" in the original or real sense, and if so , do follow the present person in the Chair of Peter as your Pope ?
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The last was for Cantarella..
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